In this capsule conversation, Rachel Gillman Rischall and Jeana Anderson Cohen explore one of the most tender and rarely discussed relationship topics: friendship breakups and estrangement.

Inspired by Hillary Duff and her recent reflections on estrangement in an interview with Anthony Mason, Rachel and Jeana unpack what it means to lose someone close to you — and not know how, or whether, to repair the relationship.

Together, they discuss:

• How to tell the difference between a friendship worth repairing and one that’s okay to let go
• Why friendship breakups can hurt differently — and sometimes more deeply — than romantic ones
• Whether there’s a way to have a “final conversation,” and what to do when closure doesn’t come
• How to hold boundaries without abandoning compassion

Drawing from personal experience, research, and insights from Platonic and For You When I Am Gone, the episode closes with a reminder that friendship isn’t “just friends,” it’s a profound form of love. And when it ends, the grief deserves to be honored.

In Show & Tell, Rachel shares the connective power of live storytelling and shared vulnerability, while Jeana highlights a striking insight about emotional connection and fear of loss — adding one final layer to how deeply we’re wired for friendship.

In this episode:

• Hillary Duff and Anthony Mason interview, referencing estrangement
• Platonic by Marisa G. Franco
• For You When I Am Gone by Rabbi Steve Leder
• Jay Shetty — referenced via The New York Times