In this episode, I sit down with former Navy SEAL, leadership expert, and bestselling author Rich Diviney to explore what it really means to perform well in uncertain environments. Drawing from the ideas in his book Masters of Uncertainty, Rich explains why chasing peak performance can actually be the wrong goal for most people and why learning to perform optimally in unpredictable situations matters far more.

We discuss how uncertainty affects decision-making, motivation, relationships, and business development, and how small shifts in focus can help us make progress even when outcomes feel unclear.

If you're leading a business, growing relationships, managing a team, or simply trying to navigate a challenging season, this conversation offers practical ways to stay focused and effective when certainty is nowhere to be found.

Topics We Cover in This Episode:

• Why optimal performance is often more useful than peak performance

• How uncertainty creates stress and what your brain is looking for in difficult situations

• The Duration, Pathway, Outcome (DPO) framework and how it can reduce overwhelm

• Why breaking goals into smaller horizons can improve motivation and follow-through

• How fear, uncertainty, and anxiety interact and what helps reduce their impact

• What attributes reveal about how people show up under pressure

• How high-performing teams adapt leadership responsibilities in real time

• Why trust depends on more than competence and consistency alone

If you're looking for practical ways to navigate uncertainty with more confidence, clarity, and resilience, this episode is for you.

Resources Mentioned:

Listen to Secrets to Thriving Under Pressure with Author and Retired Navy SEAL, Rich Diviney: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/secrets-to-thriving-under-pressure-with-author-and/id1504330338?i=1000683901565

Connect with Rich: https://learn.theattributes.com/mastering-uncertainty

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In this episode, I sit down with Melody Wilding to talk about a skill that has become increasingly important in today's matrixed organizations: managing up. But not in the traditional sense of simply keeping your boss informed. We explore what it really means to build influence with decision-makers, stakeholders, and leaders whose priorities, communication styles, and levels of involvement may be very different from your day-to-day contacts. Whether you're navigating internal relationships or working with complex clients, Melody shares practical frameworks for creating alignment, building trust, and increasing your impact without feeling political or inauthentic.

We also discuss how to identify the people who truly influence outcomes, make the most of limited access to senior leaders, and communicate your value in ways that resonate with decision-makers.

Topics We Cover in This Episode:

• Why "managing up" means much more than managing your relationship with a direct supervisor

• How to identify the stakeholders who have the greatest influence over key decisions

• A simple power-mapping framework for navigating complex organizations

• Better questions to ask when trying to understand what decision-makers truly care about

• How to communicate updates in ways that highlight business impact instead of activity

• The role curiosity plays in creating meaningful networking opportunities

• Why involving others in the process often creates stronger buy-in than presenting a polished solution

• How to use brief interactions with senior leaders to build stronger long-term relationships

If you enjoy conversations about influence, business development, leadership, and relationship-building, I think you'll find a lot to consider in this discussion. Be sure to subscribe so you don't miss future episodes, and if you found this conversation valuable, please share it with a colleague or friend who would enjoy it as well.

Resources Mentioned:

Connect with Melody: https://melodywilding.com/

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In this conversation, I sit down with Steve Kamb to explore what it really means to keep moving forward when things don’t go according to plan. We talk about why success in business development, leadership, fitness, and creative work often has less to do with having the perfect strategy and more to do with developing the ability to adjust, learn, and make another attempt. Steve shares lessons from stand-up comedy, golf, entrepreneurship, and his own experiences building businesses and writing his latest book, How to Try Again, offering a practical framework for navigating setbacks without getting stuck in them.

A major theme throughout our conversation is the tension between outcome-focused thinking and process-focused action. We discuss Steve’s PACT framework, the role of self-compassion after disappointment, why experimentation lowers the stakes of trying something new, and how high performers recover from setbacks more quickly by learning rather than dwelling. Whether you're pursuing new clients, launching a project, building relationships, or simply trying to make progress in an uncertain situation, this episode offers a thoughtful perspective on resilience, adaptation, and the long game of meaningful growth.

Topics We Cover in This Episode:

• Why comedians, entrepreneurs, and business developers all rely on repetition more than perfection

• How the concept of “pre-accepting any outcome” can reduce anxiety and improve performance

• The difference between persistence and continuing to push in the wrong direction

• What Steve’s PACT framework teaches about responding to setbacks constructively

• Why treating challenges as experiments can make change feel more approachable

• How curiosity can be more useful than self-criticism when evaluating past failures

• What separates people who recover quickly from disappointment from those who stay stuck

• Why genuine generosity and relationship-building often outperform transactional networking approaches

If you've ever found yourself wondering what to do after a missed opportunity, a failed initiative, or a result that didn't match your expectations, I think you'll find this conversation both practical and encouraging. Tune in, subscribe so you never miss an episode, and share it with someone who could benefit from a fresh perspective on learning, adapting, and trying again.

Resources Mentioned:

Steve's Website: stevekamb.com

Order Steve's Book: https://stevekamb.com/howtotryagain/

https://www.nerdfitness.com/

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