Formula 1 just left Zandvoort for the foreseeable future, and Dick and Joe Saward can't quite agree on how to feel about it.

What starts as a normal breakdown of Lando Norris's tire gamble and Max Verstappen's home-race crash, and how Nico Hulkenberg avoided a spinning Gabriel Bortoleto in a cloud of smoke and dust, turns into something else entirely: a conversation that wanders through Zandvoort's atmosphere unlike anywhere else on the calendar, decades of paddock history, a few stories about past FIA presidents that go somewhere darker than you'd expect from a race review, and exactly why this circuit couldn't survive its own success.

Somewhere in there is an actual race review. Getting to it is half the fun.

Formula 1 left this circuit for the foreseeable future. By the end of this episode, you'll understand exactly what that costs, and it might not be what you think.

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