In this episode of the Energy Perspectives Podcast, recorded live at the North American Gas Forum in Washington, D.C. in 2025, Magatte Wade (Entrepreneur & Author of "Heart of the Cheetah") sits down with Timothy M. Egan (Former President & CEO, Canadian Gas Association) to discuss her new initiative, Prosperity Not Poverty, and the case for affordable, reliable, abundant energy as the foundation of human flourishing.

From her childhood in Senegal to her work advocating for free markets and energy access across Africa, the conversation explores why energy poverty is a humanitarian issue, how indoor air pollution from biomass cooking affects millions every year, and why the same dynamics show up in developed economies where vulnerable populations face rising energy costs.

Key Themes:

• Energy access as the foundation of economic prosperity

• Indoor air pollution and the public health cost of energy poverty

• A target of 2.5 billion prosperous Africans by 2050

• Why cultural engagement, not just policy, drives energy decisions

Chapters

0:00 Introduction

0:27 Magatte's story: Senegal to Germany

2:36 The defining question

3:48 Why Africa remains poor: over-regulation

4:22 The goal: 2.5 billion prosperous Africans by 2050

5:18 Why energy access is a prerequisite for prosperity

6:19 Indoor air pollution and biomass cooking

8:50 Operating at the cultural level

10:30 The Calgary classroom: energy is everywhere

16:30 Why youth are the focus of Prosperity Not Poverty

18:30 Energy poverty in the US, Canada, and the UK

20:30 Why the Africa story shifts the conversation

22:00 Closing

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