Today, Larry goes one on onewith Hall of Fame Jockey Victor Espinoza, who talks about why he is restarting his riding career at the Saratoga meet this Summer and could it be a permanent move for him. He also discusses how he felt riding a Triple Crown winner in American Pharoah and who was the toughest Jockey to ride against so far in his career,; Woodbine’s, Manager of Racing Content, Alanna Nolan , who discusses the ‘wrap’ of season two for the Woodbine produced ‘Free Rein’series. She also talks about a special segment that they are currently working on which will be released just prior to the King’s Plate. Alanna also mentions the demographic that Woodbine is trying to reach through ‘Free Rein’ and whether we will see a Season 3 in 2026.; The Meadowland’s Marketing Coordinator and TV Host Jessica Otten, who discusses tonight’s Meadowlands Pace and some of the other Stakes events later this evening. Jessica also discusses her roles working at the Meadowlands and talks about the planning in place for the Hambletonian, also at the New Jersey racetrack , which will be held on August 2nd and will include a major celebration for the 100thAnniversary for the Harness Race.

In our feature, ‘In Case You Missed It’ A Look At The Way It Was In Horse Racing News , Larry talks aboutCanadian Horse of the Year, Patches O’Houlihan and how efforts to save him and to be retired to pasture failed and unfortunately he was humanely euthanized. He also talks about U.S. Apprentice Jockey Bryan Torres, who recently won his fifth race in his career and did it with a special flair and exhibition of riding skills. He also provides his ‘Ponies Picks of the Day’selections for several North American Racetracks,later on in the show and in our ‘Road Trip’ feature, Larry visits the Meadowlands , home tonight to theMeadowlands Pace.

Bullet points of key topics, guests (who they are) & time stamps:

● Victor initially talks about why he decided to ride this Summer at Saratoga and if he has a successful meet, would he consider riding on the New York Circuit full time. He also talks about how Trainer Wesley Ward has been so important in his decision to ride in New York and also discusses where his first win took place and the name of the horse. Victor also alks about riding American Pharoah to a Triple Crown win and whether he was the best horse that he ever had a chance to ride and also talks about what Jockey was the toughest to ride against. . You will be surprised by his answer!

● Alanna initially talks about the second season of Woodbine’s ‘Free Rein’ series and also mentions about a special show that will focus on Jockey Emma Jayne Wilson and will be released just before the King’s Plate in August. She also talks about last years ‘ ‘Free Rein’ series and in particular an award winning one and mentions what demographic the series is directed to. Alanna also talks about how the series hopefully will attract a younger generation into horse racing and whether she is the one responsible for producing the regular content. She also mentions what a regular day is like for her at Woodbine and talks about how she originally became part of Woodbine Entertainment and what she expects to be doing on King’s Plate Day.

● Jessica initially talks about what her role at the Meadowlands consists of and she also talks about tonights Meadowlands Pace and also discusses some of the other major stakes races tonight at the Meadowlands. She also mentions why tonight’s Meadowlands Pace is recognized as the biggest party in Harness Racing and also talks about what we can expect at this yearsHambletonian , to be held at the Meadowlands on August 2nd. Jessica also discusses how her roots in Harness Racing began in the state of Michigan and why horsemen in Michigan are so passionate about Horse Racing.

Today, Larry goes one on onewith Jockey Dylan Davis, who talks about what it is like to be part of the family business, the Davis family who are all Jockeys. He also mentions the path he took to becoming a Jockey and what was the best advice his father, Robbie Davis gave him on becoming a full time rider. Dylan also discusses how impressed he was with the Woodbine Turf Course when he had an opportunity to ride some stakes events both last season and just recently; Gunnar Lindberg, who discusses his career as a Jockey and talks about how he felt when he won the Avelino Gomez Award last year , which was made extra special as Avelino had basically mentored him as a young Apprentice Jockey. He also mentions who in his opinion was the toughest Jockey to ride against in his career and discusses his time as a Racing Steward which he eventually morphed into after retiring from race riding.; We also replay the interviiew from last week’s show with Jim Lawson, Woodbine Entertainment’s Executive Chair , who discusses and expands on a press release that was sent out by Woodbine, the City of Toronto and the Ontario Government, recently , that will see a new Metrolinx GO Station built on 684 acresof Woodbine’s property and will anchor one of Canada’s most ambitious urban developments and eventually create new revenue streams to support horse racing. Jim also talks about the King’s Plate, the Mohawk Million and the Breeders Crown and how these event nights, including the recently concluded Pepsi North America Cup help to increase ongoing interest in the Woodbine products across North America.;

In our feature, ‘In Case You Missed It’ A Look At The Way It Was In Horse Racing News , Larry talks aboutthe recent passing of Hall of Fame Trainer D. Wayne Lukas and his many achievements in both Thoroughbred and Quarter Horse racing. He also provides his ‘Ponies Picks of the Day’ selections for several North American Racetracks, later on in the show and in our ‘Road Trip’ feature, Larry visitsSaratoga , home today to the Belmont Oaks Invitational.

Bullet points of key topics, guests (who they are) & time stamps:

● Dylan initially talks about how ‘riding horses’ is certainly the ‘family business’ and how long it took him to become an established rider. He also discusses his first ride and how at times he was unsure if he wanted to be a Jockey and how long it took him to win his first race. He also mentions the greatest advice that his father, former Jockey Robbie Davis gave him when he finally became a rider and talks about the Woodbine Turf Course and how it wasso special to be able to ride on the famed E P Taylor Turf Course. Dylan is also asked to finish the following ‘ If I didn’t become a Thoroughbred Jockey, I would probably be a ? --Tune in for Dylan’s answer, you will probably be very surprised!

● Gunnar initially talks about winning the Avelino Gomez Award last year and why it meant so much to him as Avelino was not only a good friend but sort of a mentor for him when he was starting out. He also discusses how race riding is in the blood with his father anf grandfather and mentions what it was like to ride for the famed Sam Son Farm and in particular their owner Ernie Samuel. Gunnar also talks about how he knew it was time to retire and mentions how he eventually became a Racing Steward and for our new listeners he outlines what a Steward does on the racetrack. He also discusses what his future holds for him and how he will still work on a part-time basis as a Racing Steward.

● This section is a replay of the full interview with Woodbine Executive Chair Jim Lawson from last weeksshow , which outlines a recent announcement that will see a Metrolinx Go Train Station built on the Woodbine property, which will be the centre piece for one of Canada’s most ambitious urban developments. He also talks about some of the upcoming stakes events at Woodbine Mohawk Park and of course the King’s Plate at Woodbine.

Today, Larry goes one on one with Jim Lawson, Woodbine Entertainment’s Executive Chair, who discusses in depth what his role entails and whether this is a position that is voted on by the Woodbine Board of Directors. He also expands on a press release that was sent out by Woodbine, the City of Toronto and the Ontario Government, on Thursday, that will see a new Metrolinx GO Station built on 684 acres of Woodbine’s property and will anchor one of Canada’s most ambitious urban developments and eventually create new revenue streams to support horse racing. Jim also talks about the King’s Plate, the Mohawk Million and the Breeders Crown and how these event nights, including the recently concluded Pepsi North America Cup help to increase ongoing interest in the Woodbine products across North America; Rebecca Maker, a former Thoroughbred Trainer who is now making her mark by rehabilitating horses and preparing them to race again, from her farm in Versailles, Kentucky. She also mentions some of the more familiar horses that she has had an opportunity to work on and bring them back to the track to race and mentions if in some cases, whether the problems on some of the horses she works on, the cause is more mental than physical; Thoroughbred Jockey Deshawn Parker talks about how he was injured in an early morning Training accident in April and whether there is any date set when we may see him back in the saddle. Deshawn also talks about how he became a Jockey and dives into who he looked up to in his younger years.

In our feature, ‘In Case You Missed It’ A Look At The Way That Was In Horse Racing News, Larry talks about the recent health news of Hall of Fame Trainer D Wayne Lukas, which forced him to retire from Training Horses. He also provides his ‘Ponies Picks of the Day’ selections for several North American Racetracks, later on in the show and in our ‘Road Trip’ feature, Larry visits Churchill Downs , home today to the Stephen Foster Stakes.

Bullet points of key topics, guests (who they are) & time stamps:

● (10:32) Jim initially talks about his role at Woodbine as Executive Chair and whether the role is one that he has to be voted in by the Board. He also talks about the announcement on Thursday where a new GO Station that will anchor the urban development project situated on 684 acres of land which will take shape over the next 25 years. Jim also discusses how this project will help to create new revenue streams that will support horse racing and its 250-yeare history. Jim is also asked if there is anything that he hasn’t accomplished in his career with Woodbine and also breaks down some of the upcoming feature stakes events at Woodbine and Woodbine Mohawk Park and why these races are great ways to sell the sport of horse racing to new generations.

● (26:32) Rebecca initially talks about how she became involved in rehabilitating Thoroughbreds and whether she believes being a Trainer at first has helped her establiblish her rehabilitation and lay-up business better , as she can discuss equine problems with other Trainers and find the problem that is hindering the horse. She also mentions some of the horses that she has worked on and talks about her Versailles, Kentucky farm and some of the equipment that she uses when treating the horses and sometimes, whether a problem with a horse could be more mental instead of physical. She also talks about how upsetting the demise of horse racing in the State of Michigan is for someone like herself that grew up there and raced at Detroit Racecourse.

● (40:48) Deshawn initially talks about how he was injured in a morning Training accident and how he has been slowly working to get himself back to possibly ride again at a later date. He also talks about his career and some of its highlights and some of the better horses he had an opportunity to ride in his career so far. He also talks about how he became a Jockey and whether he remembers his first ride and initial win, and whether when he broke into the business, if there was another Jockey that acted like a mentor for him at the beginning. He also mentions whether he has a date circled on the calendar, where we may see him back riding.

Today, Larry goes one on one with Woodbine’s Senior Manager Betting Content, Rob Conway, who discusses Woodbine’s ‘Railbirds’ , a 24-7 media brand that will attract both the novice horseplayer and the casual sports bettor. He also discusses some of the other Marketing initiatives that are being worked upon and discusses demographics that Woodbine is trying to reach through ‘Railbirds’ and why it is also a great vehicle to attract sports bettors to horse racing; Longrun’s Vicki Pappas, who talks about the reasons why today’s Open House at the farm has been cancelled until a date later in the Summer. She also discusses the role that Longrun plays in the Ontario horse racing industry and mentions some of the more well known retired Thoroughbreds that call Longrun home. She also mentions how listeners can become involved in either a horse adoption or fund raising capacity; Thoroughbred Jockey Emma Jayne Wilson, who talks about how she felt after winning her first race back at Woodbine after a long recovery period from a riding accident last season. She discusses starting out as a Jockey, whether she remembers her first win, and were there any other individuals in her life that helped make her a better rider. She also talks about whether she always wanted to be a Jockey or not, and what has been her greatest achievement to date in her riding career.

In our feature, ‘In Case You Missed It - A Look At The Week That Was In Horse Racing News', Larry talks about a couple of races last Saturday night at Woodbine Mohawk Park, including the Pepsi North America Cup. He provides his ‘Ponies Picks of the Day’ selections for several North American Racetracks later on in the show, and in the ‘Road Trip’ feature, Larry visits Thistledown and today's Ohio Derby.

Bullet points of key topics, guests (who they are) & time stamps:

● Rob initially talks about his role at Woodbine as Senior Manager Betting Content and what the position entails. He also discusses Woodbine’s social media product, ‘Railbirds’ and the markets that they are trying to penetrate more thorough the use of this product, which includes both a younger demographic and also sports bettors. Rob also discusses the website for ‘Railbirds’ and how Woodbine continues to work on further products like ‘Railbirds’ to not only attract a younger demographic, but also the sports betting population. He also mentions his background before starting to work at Woodbine and how Woodbine is constantly adding features to the ‘Railbird’s’ site and mentions some of them.

● Vicki initially talks about why there was a cancellation today for the Longrun Open House and does explain what a typical Open House involves, She also talks about the role that Longrun plays in in the Ontario Horse Racing Industry and also talks about some of the horses that are living at Longrun, including Pink Lloyd. Vicki also talks about how she became part of the horse racing industry and whether there was a horse over the years that completely sold her on the Thoroughbred industry and also talks about how people can become part of Longrun and either become involved through adopting a horse, or fundraising.

● Emma Jayne initially talks about how she felt when she won her first race this year, which was her first since being part of of a season that was full of highs and lows last season.She also talks about whether she remembers her first win as an Apprentice Jockey and whether there was someone that helped her when she got her start in the industry. She also talks about some of her major accomplishments as a Jockey so far and whether there is anything in her career to date that she hasn’t accomplished. Emma Jayne also talks about he biggest highlight of her career and whether there was a Jockey that she was close to that she could ask for riding advice and to date , what has been the biggest highlight of her career.

Today, Larry goes one on one with Woodbine’s Mark McKelvie who talks about tonight’s Pepsi North America Cup and breaks down the field as well as the other great stakes races on tonight’s card. Mark also discusses the preparations for the upcoming King’s Plate as well as some of the other stakes events tonight at Woodbine Mohawk Park.; Harness Driver James MacDonald, who discusses tonights stakes filled card of racing at Woodbine Mohawk Park which includes his drive in the Pepsi North America Cup with Lite Up The World, as well as some of the other horses he will be driving at Woodbine Mohawk Park tonight.; Thoroughbred Jockey Agent Madison Meli, who talks about her role as Agent for Jockey Edgar Zentano and how he has bounced back from some injuries suffered in a riding accident at Woodbine last Fall She also talks about how she became part of the Horse Racing Industry and how she eventually wants to end up as a Teacher.

In our feature, ‘In Case You Missed It’ A Look At The Way It Was In Horse Racing News , Larry talks about why the viewing numbers were down on the TV coverage last week for the Belmont Stakes.He also provides his ‘Ponies Picks of the Day’ selections for several North American Racetracks, later on in the show and in our ‘Road Trip’ feature, Larry visits today’s Pepsi North America Cup at Woodbine Mohawk Park.

Bullet points of key topics, guests (who they are) & time stamps:

● Mark discusses tonight’s Pepsi North America Cup and what the race means not only to the North American Standardbred Industry but also to Woodbine as well. He also breaksdown the NA Cup and who he thinks the race goes through tonight and who was impressed with in last week’s elimination events. He also talks about how plans are moving forward for this this year’s King’s Plate and whether there are any plans soon to unfold regarding the Royalty involvement that will be part of the Kings Plate this year. Mark also mentions whether tnere has been a horse so far this year that his caught his eye and could be a contender in this year’s Kings Plate.

● James initially talks about tonight’s Pepsi North America Cup and in particular his drive Lite Up The World and whether he believes that there is still some fuel left in the tank for the horse tonight. James also talks about Trainer Anthony Beaton and the special bond that they share and also discusses Chantilly, who to date is undefeated in her racing career. He also talks abourt whether he prepares differently for tonight’s card which sees him driving in in 11 of the 13 races . He also mentions about previos Drivers and who were some of the ones that he followed and respected the most.

● Madison initially talks about how she became a Jockey Agent and how she ended up an Agent for rider Edgar Zentano. She also talks about her family roots in the horse racing business and how she became part of the horse racing industry. She is also asked to finish the following question ‘ If I didn’t become a Jockey’s Agent , I would probably have been a? --Tune in for Madison’s answer, you will probably be very surprised!

Today, Larry goes one on onewith Keith McCalmont, NYRA’s Director Of Communications, who breaks down today’s $2 Million Belmont Stakes at Saratoga Racecourse. Keith also discusses the fact that this is the second year that the Belmont will be held at Saratoga and mentions what the reaction was from the horsemen, after last yearsfirst running. Keith also breaks down today’s BelmontStakes and makes his selection for the race.; Hanover Raceway’s General Manager Scott Price, who initially discusses last weeks season opener and whether he considered it to be successful and some of the special event race days this season. He also mentionswhy he believes Hanover Raceway has always been considered one of the more successful half-mile tracks in Ontario.; Woodbine Clocker and Morning Line Oddsmaker Ernie Perri, who explains what his role consists of at Woodbine and also talks about why workouts are so important when handicapping a race. He also gives a couple of handicapping selections on today’s Woodbine card and also the Belmont Stakes.

In our feature, ‘In Case You Missed It’ A Look At The Way It Was In Horse Racing News , Larry talks aboutthe recent passing of Ontario Horseman Conrad Cohen. He also provides his ‘Ponies Picks of the Day’ selections for several North American Racetracks, later on in the show and in our ‘Road Trip’feature, Larry visits today’s Belmont Stakes at Saratoga Racecourse.

Bullet points of key topics, guests (who they are) & time stamps:

● Keith discusses the atmosphere at Saratoga today as they get ready for the running of the Belmont Stakes later. He also mentions what the reaction was like from the horsemen last year when they were forced to run the Belmont Stakes at a different venue and different distance and also talks about today’s Belmont Stakes and how having both the Kentucky Derby and Preakness winner squaring off against each other has made the race extra exciting. Keith also talks about the upcoming NYRA season and some of the highlight races to look forward to and also makes a selection for today’s Belmont and why he likes their chances and makes mention of the current build out at Belmont Park and whether there has been any dates mentioned when the project will be complete.Healso states what it is that makes Saratoga such a popular racetrack to visit in the Summer.

● Scott initially talks about last Saturday’s Opening Day at Hanover and whether he felt that it was a success. He also talks about today’s special race, the Bill Fitzsimmons Memorial Pace and who it honors and discusses some of the other major event days coming up over the Summer including the annual Harness the Hope Day to support Breast Cancer. Scott also mentions a new event that they will be holding this Summer, ‘Driver’s Coming Home Day’ which will see several Drivers who got their start at Hanover Raceway returning for the day’s event. Scott also mentions why Hanover Raceway has always been considered one of the more successful half-mile racetracks in Ontario and talks some about his own background and how he became the General Manager.

● Ernie initially talks about his role at Woodbine as Clocker and what the job entails. He also discusses the importance of workouts to handicapping and how he distingushes good workouts from inferior ones. Ernie also gives out a couple of horses at Woodbine today that he likes because of their workouts and why they have made his ‘Clocker’s List’. Ernie also talks about his other role at Woodbine as Morning Line Oddsmaker and discusses what the Morning Line consists of and whether the Morning Line can be used as a Handicapping angle. Ernie also gives his opinion on today’s Belmont Stakes. He isalso asked to finish the following question ‘ If I didn’tbecome a Thoroughbred Clocker and Morning Line Oddsmaker, I would probably have been a? --Tune in for Ernie’s answer, you will probably be very surprised!

Today, Larry goes one on onewith Lynne O’Brien, Executive Director of Sunrise Therapeutic Riding and Learning Centre whodiscusses their ‘Celebrate Sunrise’ Event on Sunday, June 22nd, which serves as both an Open House and Fund Raiser for the facility. Lynne also talks about the programs that ‘Sunrise’ continues to offer and also mentions another Fund Raiser that ‘Sunrise’ will be organizing for the Fall.; Retired Jockey Paul Souter, who talks about what it felt like to win the Avelino Gomez Award recently and whether he was surprised that he won. Paul also discusses some of the better horses that he had an opportunity to ride and mentions that what made the Gomez Award even sweeter, is the fact that Avelino and he were good friends.; Jessica Carnochan, Marketing Manager for Clinton Raceway, who talks about the plans for Opening Day tomorrow and why construction to the Grandstand forced a delay in the opener. She also mentions why Clinton Raceway is such a popular place in the Summer and also discusses some of the event days that the track will continue to host over the Summer months.

In our feature, ‘In Case You Missed It’ A Look At The Way It Was In Horse Racing News , Larry talks aboutthe recent passing of two significant Horse Racing participants, U.S. Trainer Christophe Clement and Woodbine Horseman Paul Buttigieg. He also provides his ‘Ponies Picks of the Day’ selections for several North American Racetracks, later on in the show and in our ‘Road Trip’ feature, Larry visits today’s Belle Mahone Stakes at Woodbine.

Bullet points of key topics, guests (who they are) & time stamps:

● Lynne initially discusses ‘Celebrate Sunrise’ which will be held on Sunday, June 22nd at their Puslinch location and mentions how the event is the major Fund Raiser for Sunrise Therapeutic Riding and Learning Centre. Lynn also discusses the programs being offered at their facility and also talks about a couple ‘special stories’ surrounding the facility. She also talks about why horses are so important to the success of ‘Sunrise’ and talks about the importance of one horse in particular, ‘Jack’ a retired Standardbred. She also discusses another fund raisingevent that they will be holding in the Fall and Lynne also mentions how listeners can buy tickets for ‘Celebrate Sunrise’ on Sunday June, 22nd.

● Paul initially talks about how he felt to win the Avelino Gomez Award and how winning it was even more special, because Avelino and he were great friends. He also discusses some of the better horses he had a chance to ride during his career and who he thought was the greatest horse and why and mentions why Hall of Fame Trainer Yonnie Starr was such a major influence in his career as well. Paul also talks about his relationship with several of the top Jockeys and says who he believes was the toughest Jockey to ride against. He also mentions how he knew that it was time to retire from Race Riding.

● Jessica initially talks about the preparations for Opening Day tomorrow and why the original Opening Day was cancelled from May 18th and notes some of the renovations being made on the Grandstand. She also discusses some of the dates for the track’s major events over the Summer and talks about how she originally become involved with Clinton Raceway. She also talks about what she believes is the role that Clinton Raceway plays in the Ontario Harness Racing landscape and gives an idea of the demographic that attends the Harness Races at Clinton over the Summer months and mentions whether Clinton Raceway will eventually hold their popular ‘Legends Day’, on an annual basis.

Today, Larry goes one on onewith Social Media Influencer Griffin Johnson who is doing his part to introduce and promote the horse racing industry to the younger demographic through Instagram, TikTok and X, while focusing on his on-track and backstretch experiences through the horse Sandman , that he happens to own a share of. He also talks about whether there was any disappointment in Sandman’s Kentucky Derby and Preakness Races and mentions what Sandman has taught him about horses in general and mentions how many followers he has now since the running of last week’s Preakness Stakes; Eiffie Cahill, Coding For Veterans Director of Outreach and Events, who talks aboutnext Sunday’s ‘Heroes and Horses’ event to be held at Woodbine Racetrack in honor of Canadian Armed Forces Day, an afternoon that combines the excitement of live horse racng with meaningful tributes to the Military community. She also talks about what Coding For Veteran’s mandate is and how they assist Military Veterans in transitioning from Military service to private lives.; Jenna MacDonell, Raceway Manager at Grand River Raceway, who discusses the track’s opening night on June 4th and some of the key race days over the summer at the Elora racetrack. She also talks about a new Post Time for the races this year and mentions their most popular event at the track, ‘Industry Day’ on August 4th, which also includes their highlight race of their racing season, the Battle of Waterloo.

In our feature, ‘In Case You Missed It’ A Look At The Way It Was In Horse Racing News , Larry talks aboutthe recent television numbers for the Preakness broadcast last Saturday that were significantly down from past years and what accounted for this. He also provides his ‘Ponies Picks of the Day’ selections for several North American Racetracks, later on in the show and in our ‘Road Trip’ feature, Larry visits today’s Paradise Creek Stakes at Aqueduct Racecourse.

Bullet points of key topics, guests (who they are) & time stamps:

● Griffin initially discusses whether he has the ‘Secret Sauce’ in attracting younger generations to the horse racing industry and how his social media postings are real, where they are behind the scenes in the backstretch with the horse Sandman and then the lead up to races like the Kentucky Derby and the Preakness. He also talks about what he has learned from Sandman as a part owner and about horses in general and talks about how many followers he has now since last weeks Preakness Stakes. He also explains what he does as a ‘Social Media Influencer’ and how growing up he did have some conection with horses. Griffin also discusses what he believes the future will hold for him and whether he was ever disappointed in any of Sandman’s races and how rewarding it is to have a small ownership share in the horse.

● Eiffie initially talks about next Sunday’s ‘Heroes and Horses Day’ at Woodbine and how the day is to bring prominence for the efforts of Coding For Veterans in transitioning Military Veterans to private lives. She also talks about her background and how she became part of Coding For Veterans and also talks about some of Coding For Veterans other initiatives which includes having a float in the recent Rose Bowl Parade at Pasedena , California this past January. She also mentions why the decision was made to collaborate on a ‘Heroes and Horses’ Day at Woodbine and also mentions some of the other initiatives designed to create awareness for Coding For Veterans.

● Jenna initially talks about the preparations for Opening Day on June 4th at Grand River and besides the great Harness Racing what else can people expect to see that evening. She also discusses some of the other events that the track will be hosting including Weiner Dog Races and ‘Harness The Hope’ which supports Breast Cancer. She also talks about Industry Day which has been part of Grand River’s history since day one and originally started at the now defunct Elmira Raceway and also talks about her background in the Harness Racing Industry which included a Hall of Fame Father who was both a Driver and a Trainer. Jenna also reminds our listeners that GrandRiver has a new post time this season of 6:20 PM.