EP343 of Profit With A Plan Podcast

Released April 21, 2026

Guest: Patrick van der Burght: Founding Member of the Cialdini Institute, Licensed Trainers, and a Certified Online Influence Specialist.

Host: Marcia Riner, CEO of infinite Profit, business growth strategist

Getting people to say yes isn't about pressure or manipulation. It's about understanding how the human brain actually makes decisions. In this episode, Patrick van der Burght, business partner of Dr. Robert Cialdini and founding member of the Cialdini Institute, reveals the science-backed principles that drive trust, influence, and ethical persuasion in sales, leadership, and client conversations. If you want better results without resorting to pushy tactics, this conversation will change how you communicate.

- How the human brain really makes decisions and why most people get it wrong

- The 7 Universal Principles of Persuasion and why they work

- Why ethics matter in persuasion and how it builds stronger relationships

- Simple strategies you can use immediately in sales and leadership

- How a single headline change increased sales by 45 percent

- The difference between System 1 and System 2 thinking in decision making

[00:00] Why pressure fails and what actually gets people to say yes

[03:05] How Patrick discovered Dr. Cialdini's work and became a licensed trainer

[13:17] The two systems your brain uses to make every decision

[17:27] The 7 Universal Principles of Persuasion explained

[34:53] How changing one headline increased Bose sales by 45 percent

[36:29] Where to learn more and start practicing these principles

Patrick van der Burght

https://ethicalpersuasion.com.au

Complimentary Lessons and Tools

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Book: How to Hear Yes More Often

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Ethical Persuasion Unlocked Podcast

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Marcia Riner is a business growth strategist, creator of the Profit Booster strategies, and CEO of Infinite Profit. She helps entrepreneurs scale smarter, increase profitability, and build businesses that are worth more, whether they plan to keep them or sell them.

As host of Profit With A Plan, Marcia shares expert interviews and actionable strategies to help business owners increase revenue, improve systems, and prepare for high-value exits. With decades of experience in finance, operations, and marketing, she delivers clear, profit-driving insights you can use right away.

Questions? Call (949) 229-2112 or visit Infinite-Profit.com

Profit Booster Growth Map

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Growth should create freedom, not more chaos.

In this episode, Marcia sits down with Damon Flowers to explore why founder-led companies often hit a ceiling and what it really takes to break through it. They unpack why more hustle, more people, and even more AI tools won’t solve the underlying issue if the business lacks the right operating system.

Damon shares how operational leverage has become the true growth engine for modern businesses, helping founders move from firefighting and founder dependency to predictable execution, stronger teams, and sustainable scale.

• Why founder-led businesses hit a growth ceiling • What operational leverage really means in practice • Why more AI tools won’t fix broken systems • How to move from heroic effort to team execution • The shift from operator to CEO leadership • Why your inner game drives outer business growth

00:00 Why growth starts creating chaos 03:35 The founder bottleneck problem 07:50 What operational leverage really means 12:40 Why AI fails without the right foundation 17:20 Moving from firefighting to leadership 22:45 Building predictable execution at scale 27:10 The inner game behind sustainable growth

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Infinite Profit® https://infinite-profit.com

Marcia Riner is a business growth strategist, creator of the Profit Booster® strategies, and CEO of Infinite Profit®. She helps entrepreneurs scale smarter, increase profitability, and build businesses that are worth more, whether they plan to keep them or sell them.

As host of Profit With A Plan, Marcia shares expert interviews and actionable strategies to help business owners increase revenue, improve systems, and prepare for high-value exits. With decades of experience in finance, operations, and marketing, she delivers clear, profit-driving insights you can use right away.

📞 Questions? Call (949) 229-2112 or visit InfiniteProfitConsulting.com

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Most business owners assume slow growth means they need more leads, more traffic, or more marketing. But what if the real profit gap starts after the client says yes?

In this episode, Marcia sits down with Bradley Rausch to unpack what really drives profit after the sale. From the first 72 hours of onboarding to referrals and earned ascension offers, this conversation reveals how to make every client relationship more valuable without increasing ad spend.

• How to tell if you truly have a lead problem • The Four Sales framework for backend profitability • What must happen in the first 72 hours • How to reduce quiet churn and buyer regret • A referral system that creates consistent word-of-mouth • How to offer the next step without feeling pushy

00:00 Why more leads may not be the real answer 03:15 The Four Sales every business needs 08:40 What happens in the first 72 hours matters most 14:20 How poor onboarding hurts profit 20:05 Turning client wins into referrals 26:30 What earned ascension really looks like 32:10 How to increase client lifetime value

https://bradleyrausch.com

https://profitbooster.biz/growthmap

Marcia Riner is a business growth strategist, creator of the Profit Booster® strategies, and CEO of Infinite Profit®. She helps entrepreneurs scale smarter, increase profitability, and build businesses that are worth more, whether they plan to keep them or sell them.

As host of Profit With A Plan, Marcia shares expert interviews and actionable strategies to help business owners increase revenue, improve systems, and prepare for high-value exits. With decades of experience in finance, operations, and marketing, she delivers clear, profit-driving insights you can use right away.

Questions? Call (949) 229-2112 or visit Infinite-Profit.com

💰 Profit Booster® Growth Map Helping business owners turn strategy into action that drives profitable growth. 👉 Get your free Growth Map at https://ProfitBooster.biz/GrowthMap

🎧 Never Miss a Profit-Driving Strategy Subscribe to Profit With A Plan on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your favorite platform.