An OpenAI test model got out of its sandbox, reached the internet and started hacking Hugging Face. Justin sees a model pursuing its assigned goal with impressive tenacity. Frank sees a warning that even the people building these systems can’t stop them acting maliciously.

Plus: why AI guardrails can leave defenders fighting hackers with weaker models; why more than 200 US start-ups, investors and small firms are worried about a crackdown on cheap Chinese AI such as Kimi K3; and how Google DeepMind’s AlphaFold helped find an enzyme that might tackle age-related damage. Justin expects eternal youth shortly. Frank has requested evidence.

00:15 Did Skynet just go live?
01:36 Who hacked Hugging Face?
03:00 Are AI guardrails helping the hackers?
09:12 Did OpenAI’s model escape its sandbox?
12:32 Was the AI misaligned or just tenacious?
17:10 Can simple rules really contain an AI?
23:20 Will America ban cheap Chinese AI?
28:47 Has AI found the elixir of youth?

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► LINKS TO CONTENT WE DISCUSSED

• Security incident disclosure — July 2026
• OpenAI and Hugging Face partner to address security incident during model evaluation
• Startup founders urge Trump not to shut off Chinese open weight AI
• Reversal of protein chemical aging by enzymatic deglycation

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