What if retirement isn't about stopping—but rewiring?

Discover how Pat Shea is "rewiring" retirement—finding purpose, freedom, play and joy while becoming the CEO of her next chapter.

Pat Shea joins Andi Simon to explore what happens when a successful career gives way to the freedom to design what comes next. From becoming the "CEO of yourself" to making room for purpose, play, relationships and serendipity, Pat shares how she is creating her next chapter—and finding joy along the way.

If you may have another 30 years ahead of you, how do you want to live them?

What happens after you retire—and suddenly no one is telling you where to be or what to do?

Jim and Marilyn Riley have created a next chapter filled with friendship, travel, curiosity, learning, family and fun. But they didn't get there in exactly the same way.

Jim transitioned out of the company he had built, eventually handing leadership to his son and realizing that sometimes the best thing a former leader can do is get out of the way. Marilyn, a retired nurse, found new purpose through creativity, golf, book clubs, volunteering and her grandchildren.

Together, they offer an important lesson: a fulfilling retirement doesn't just happen. You build it.

In this episode of On the Brink with Andi Simon, we talk about creating community before you need it, maintaining separate and shared interests as a couple, staying curious and active, traveling with intention, and why there really should be a "Retirement 101."

If you're approaching retirement—or already there and wondering what comes next—Jim and Marilyn's story may help you rethink what this stage of life can become.

Ready to rethink your own next chapter?

Learn more about Andi Simon's new book, Rethink Retirement: It's not the end but the beginning of what's next, and discover more stories, insights, and resources to help you create a life filled with purpose, people, and possibility.

Visit AndiSimon.com to learn more, and follow On the Brink with Andi Simon wherever you listen to podcasts.

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What happens when a successful career ends—but your purpose doesn't?

In this inspiring episode of On the Brink, Andi Simon welcomes former NFL three-time Super Bowl champion Bart Oates and renowned orthopedic surgeon Dr. Vincent McInerney for a conversation about life beyond professional success.

Together, they explore what it really means to move into a new chapter—not by retiring from life, but by redefining it. They discuss the importance of purpose, lifelong learning, community, faith, health, and continuing to make a difference long after a career has ended.

Whether you're approaching retirement, beginning a career transition, or simply wondering what comes next, this conversation offers practical wisdom and hope for designing a meaningful future.

Retirement isn't about stopping. It's about discovering new ways to contribute, grow, and live with intention.

Change begins with a new way of seeing. As a corporate anthropologist, I believe that the stories we hear have the power to reshape the stories we live. If you're ready to rethink retirement—or simply rethink what's next—I hope you'll join me again on On the Brink. Until next time, stay curious, keep learning, and remember: your next chapter may be your most meaningful one yet.