What can a legendary children’s book editor teach us about writing, research, and trusting young readers?

In this episode of Nonfiction Kidlit Craft Conversations, host Kirsten W. Larson interviews Nancy Hudgins, author of Books Good Enough for You: The Storied Life of Ursula Nordstrom, to uncover the hidden story behind one of the most influential figures in children’s publishing. Ursula Nordstrom helped shape classics like Charlotte’s Web, Goodnight Moon, and Where the Wild Things Are, but her own story has remained largely untold for older readers until now.

Nancy shares how primary source research—including letters, archival documents, and even surprising legal records—revealed new insights into Nordstrom’s life, including details never before published. You’ll hear how these discoveries shaped the book, why middle grade was the perfect format, and what today’s writers can learn from Nordstrom’s fearless approach to storytelling. Whether you’re a children’s writer, educator, librarian, or book lover, this conversation offers powerful insights into:

• How to use primary sources to deepen nonfiction storytelling
• The art of revision and editorial feedback
• Why respecting young readers leads to better books
• The ongoing importance of freedom to read

Plus: behind-the-scenes stories of beloved classics like Goodnight Moon and the creative risks that changed children’s literature forever.

00:00 The Shocking Discovery: Ursula Nordstrom’s Untold Story

01:00 Welcome + About Nancy Hudgins & Her Book

02:00 Why Write About Ursula Nordstrom?

04:00 Why This Story Matters Now (Censorship & Kidlit Today)

06:00 Why Middle Grade? Choosing the Right Audience

09:00 Diving into Primary Sources: Letters, Archives & Surprises

12:30 Research Rabbit Holes & Unexpected Finds

16:00 What to Include (and What to Leave Out)

20:00 What Kids Can Learn from Ursula Nordstrom

25:30 The Story Behind Goodnight Moon

30:30 Research Advice for Nonfiction Writers

What if your next nonfiction project isn’t a picture book—or even prose—but a graphic novel? In this episode of Nonfiction Kidlit Craft Conversations, host Kirsten W. Larson talks with award-winning author Teresa Robeson about how to write nonfiction graphic novels for kids.

Teresa shares practical tips, industry insights, and creative strategies for turning real stories into visual, page-turning nonfiction.

Whether you write picture books, middle grade, or YA nonfiction, this conversation will help you explore a fast-growing format in children’s publishing and give you clear steps to get started. In this episode, you’ll learn:

*Why nonfiction writers should consider graphic novels right now

*Key differences between graphic novels, picture books, and prose nonfiction

*How to structure scenes, panels, and page turns

*What skills transfer from traditional nonfiction writing

*How to write a graphic novel script (no drawing required!)

*What to include in a nonfiction graphic novel proposal

*Tips for research, visual storytelling, and working with illustrators

*Beginner-friendly resources to learn the craft Teresa also shares her favorite graphic nonfiction mentor texts, advice for getting started, and encouragement for writers ready to try something new.

📚 Mentioned in this episode:

Understanding Comics by Scott McCloud

Making Comics by Scott McCloud

The Art of Comic Book Writing by Mark Kneece

Kids Comics Unite (writing community)

00:00 Hook: Why Try Nonfiction Graphic Novels?

00:32 Welcome + Meet Teresa Robeson

01:10 How Teresa Got Started in Graphic Novels

02:05 Why Graphic Novels Are Booming

03:05 What Makes a Story Work Visually

05:30 Key Differences from Picture Books & Prose

08:10 Writing in Panels: Concision & Page Turns

10:05 Research + Skills That Transfer

12:30 Getting Started + Best Learning Resources

15:45 Scripts, Proposals & Publishing Tips

20:05 Practice Tips + Final Advice for Writers

What if the back pages of your nonfiction book could transform a curious reader into a lifelong learner — and make your manuscript more attractive to publishers at the same time? In this episode, host Kirsten W. Larson sits down with award-winning children's nonfiction author Annette Whipple — author of nearly 40 books including Flick: The Truth About Lizards — to explore the craft and strategy behind back matter in nonfiction picture books.

Whether you're a debut author wondering what to put after "The End," or a seasoned writer looking to level up your submissions, this conversation is packed with actionable ideas for making your back matter work harder for readers, educators, AND publishers. 🦎 What You'll Learn:

• What back matter actually is — and why it matters more than most writers think

• How back matter can function as the "rest of the meal" after your main text appetizer

• Why Annette includes STEM activities (like a lizard tongue challenge!) in her books

• How to plan back matter DURING drafting, not as an afterthought • Annette's genius trick: saving cut content in a separate document for potential back matter

• The surprising way Annette's back matter inspired a full-size foldout poster in her hardcover editions

• Common back matter mistakes — and how to avoid them

• How strong back matter makes your book more marketable to editors

• The difference between back matter and a teacher's guide — and why you need both

📚 Books Mentioned:

• Flick: The Truth About Lizards by Annette Whipple

• Who Knew? The Truth About Owls by Annette Whipple

• The Laura Ingalls Wilder Companion by Annette Whipple

• Fire of the Stars by Kirsten W. Larson

• Wood, Wire, Wings by Kirsten W. Larson

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0:00 Introduction: What Is Back Matter?

1:11 Meet Annette Whipple, Queen of Back Matter

2:08 The Real Job of Back Matter in Nonfiction Picture Books

3:08 How Annette's Thinking About Back Matter Has Evolved

3:53 Who Is Back Matter Really For? (Kids, Teachers & Parents) 5:21 A Deep Dive into Flick: The Truth About Lizards

6:20 Scaly Superstars: Featuring 12 Lizard Species

7:00 The Terrific Tongue Test: Adding STEM Activities

9:43 Planning Back Matter During Drafting (Not After)

11:07 Annette's Writing Hack: Saving Deleted Content for Back Matter

13:00 Sponsored Message: Reimagine Insiders Community

13:00 Collaborating with Editors on Back Matter Decisions

15:32 How Annette's Back Matter Created a Full-Size Foldout Poster

18:22 Classroom Connections: How Back Matter Extends Lessons 19:44 Thinking Cross-Curricular: STEM, SEL, and More

23:12 Why Strong Back Matter Makes Your Book More Marketable

27:53 Common Back Matter Mistakes (And How to Avoid Them)

29:26 Annette's Checklist: Questions to Evaluate Your Back Matter

31:36 The Big Poster Reveal! Hardcover Foldout Explained

33:20 What's Next for Annette Whipple

34:02 Wrap-Up and Call to Action