This episode is a departure from the usual format and is an immersive listening experience of the sounds of Dobarz. Earlier in the year Jo and Cathy visited Eastern Poland, returning to an area near the Biebrza Marshes with an intense abundance and diversity of birds and other wildlife. Made from a series of continuous soundscapes recorded by Jo in a variety of habitats around the hamlet of Dobarz, the podcast begins with the dawn chorus, and continues through the day, including a chorus of fire-bellied toads and the underwater sounds of pond life, ending with a windy late afternoon soundscape featuring insects stridulating incessantly. You’ll hear many birds familiar to the British landscape, but also some unusual species: check out our website for more details. Enjoy!

Jo and Cathy meet with Ashar Aslam, a post-doctoral climate researcher at Leeds University who studies tropical storms.

They discuss Jo and Ashar’s 2025 collaboration as part of Leeds Cultural Institute’s Creative Labs programme. This brought scientists and artists together to think about climate change: Jo and Ashar decided to explore what happens if you recontextualise the climate as a living entity. How do people respond to this proposition? Is it too hard to imagine, or conversely, could it be a way of engendering more care for the climate, and prompting a shift in thinking that leads to pro-environmental behaviour? We hear about Jo and Ashar’s experiences of discussing this with friends and colleagues, and listen to ‘Climotherapy’ – the sound art piece they made. ‘Climotherapy’ documents responses collected as part of the project, and shares meteorological information on the nature of storm formation.

With thanks to those we interviewed including Ronika Cunningham, Diane Greenwood, Katie Jukes, Arundhati Kalyan, Kathryn Loftus, Alison Ruck and Sam Williams.