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What happens when a nation is treated like an organization? We open the mic to a direct, documented challenge and walk through the fault lines between the Nation of Islam and the Final Call—where the split began, why it accelerated, and what it cost. From court filings and 501c3s to the removal of chairs and the disbanding of FOI and MGT, we trace how paperwork and policy reshaped power, ritual, and the very meaning of sovereignty.

Kevin Ali brings a sharp lens to nationality, Moorish roots, and the claim that Islam is not just a religion but a civilizational identity for a people determined to govern themselves. We explore the difference between ritual and action: why FOI and MGT classes forged discipline and duty, how drill and collective training rehabilitated men, and why replacing participatory teaching with “self-improvement” changed outcomes on the ground. The debate over prayer and fasting becomes a larger question about signs versus ceremonies—do forms serve liberation, or do they become a refuge from responsibility?

Together we revisit pivotal shifts after 1975, the reframing of titles and authority, and the long echo of those choices in today’s culture. Expect respectful nods to shared roots with the Moorish Science Temple, honest contrasts with Sunni orthodoxy, and a firm insistence that shared lineage doesn’t erase real differences. Along the way, we lift up community with a missing-brother alert and an open door for

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