What if intimacy is not what you have been taught to believe. In this powerful and thought provoking episode, the conversation goes far beyond the physical and dives into the true essence of connection in marriage.

This discussion challenges the common narrative that intimacy begins and ends in the bedroom. Instead, it reveals that real intimacy is built in the everyday moments where trust, safety, and vulnerability are consistently shown. It is about creating a space where both partners feel seen, accepted, and free to be fully themselves without fear of judgment or rejection.

Through honest dialogue and meaningful insight, this episode explores the difference between sex and making love, emphasizing that true connection is rooted in emotional and spiritual closeness. It highlights the importance of intentionally building an atmosphere where openness thrives and where both partners can communicate their deepest thoughts, fears, and desires.

From learning your spouse deeply to demonstrating trust in small but powerful ways, this conversation offers a fresh perspective on what it means to truly connect. It is not about perfection, but about presence, consistency, and choosing each other daily.

Many couples struggle with intimacy not because they lack love, but because they misunderstand what intimacy truly requires. This episode provides clarity and direction, helping couples build a stronger, more meaningful connection that goes far beyond the surface.

True intimacy is not found in a single moment, it is built over time through trust, care, and intentional love. When two people create a space where they can be fully known and fully accepted, that is where real connection begins.

Tish and Pastor Roy Times have been making love and making it last for more than three decades.

They met at Joy Center in El Paso, Texas, dated for two whirlwind weeks, got engaged, and married four months later. Thirty-plus years, three grown sons, and two-and-a-half grand-babies, they're still each other's favorite people.

Roy serves as the local pastor of Joy Center Phoenix, shepherding his community with the same steadiness he brought to a 13-year career as a government contractor and many years in sales and technology.

Tish is an ordained minister of nearly 20 years and the CEO of Tish Times Sales Agency, where she helps high-achieving women build companies that scale beyond them. Together they bring the head and the heart strategy and Scripture, candor and compassion to every conversation.

On the Making Love Podcast, Tish and Roy pull back the curtain on what it really takes to build a marriage rooted in friendship, faith, and purpose. They're not interested in the filtered, picture-perfect version. They're here for the real thing the laughter, the growth, the hard conversations, and the practical, faith-filled tools that help love get better every day.

They live in Phoenix, Arizona, where you'll most likely find them loving Jesus, chasing good coffee, and out on a hiking trail together.

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