Courtney Pine CBE is one of the most influential figures in jazz.

A pioneering saxophonist, composer and broadcaster, he's spent four decades redefining the genre, sharing stages and studios with everyone from Herbie Hancock, Stevie Wonder and Gang Starr's Guru to Kate Bush, Mick Jagger and Bryan Ferry.

But you don't have to be a jazz fan to enjoy this conversation.

We talk about why his own music teacher told him that "black people like you don't go to university", the surprising origins of the saxophone and jazz, hip hop, AI, creativity, improvisation, and why, after 40 years in music, Courtney still believes he has so much left to learn.

A huge thank you to Cheltenham Festivals for helping make this conversation happen.

Catch Courtney live in the UK - dates and tickets available at https://courtney-pine.com/live

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