Devin and cousin Jacob visit Aaron Lewis and his parents at the Farm. Aaron lives in Texas, but was in Utah visiting and so Devin couldn't pass up the chance to interview him.

Aaron talks about memories with cousins at reunions, as well as visiting the Kartchners in Idaho and other family at the farm.

Devin then shares memories about Aaron he gathered from the Lewis family and asks questions about them. Aaron was the 10th child of 14 children and had great experiences with his siblings growing up in Oregon. He came home in a stocking from the hospital.

Some memories include: fighting with siblings over what to watch on TV on Saturday mornings, attending sporting events with siblings, and fighting over settlers of Zarahemla.

Aaron served his mission in Colorado Springs and sang a lot on his mission. He attended BYU and later Harvard and met his wife, Rachel, while attending an event on the campaign trail of Mitt Romney in 2011.

He and Rachel have 5 rambunctious, wonderful children who were quite a handful when they each were young.

Aaron, Devin, and Jacob then talk about the wonders of Artificial Intelligence and how they each use it in their daily lives and where they see it going and being used in the future.

Aaron and his family are grounded in Jesus Christ and through following the gospel, despite whaat happens with AI in the future, through him, everything will be alright.

In this episode, Devin and his wife Sarah sit down with cousin Taylor Kartchner and his wife, Wendy (“Saint Wendy”), to explore a life full of faith, family, and unforgettable stories. Taylor, the third of nine children, shares memories ranging from winning an “ugliest driver’s license” contest to serving a mission in St. Petersburg, Russia, climbing the pyramids of Egypt, and even saving his sister Kelly from a dangerous fall while mountain climbing. We also hear about his entrepreneurial journey running a window-washing business and his unexpected love for speed golf, which once took him all the way to Europe to represent the United States.

Taylor and Wendy also open up about the love story that began in a Boise State ballroom dance class, a playful Red Riding Hood–style proposal, and the family life they’ve built with their five children. From ukulele bedtime routines to their deeply held belief in trusting Christ’s plan, Taylor and Wendy offer heartfelt advice to future generations: no matter what happens, the Savior already knew and He is okay with it.

Finally, Taylor shares his passion for speed golf, a sport he often plays early in the morning to stay in shape and fit in a full round in just about an hour. He describes what it was like to represent the U.S. in a European tournament while traveling with his family, and answers questions about how speed golf differs from traditional golf. It’s a look into both the discipline and the joy of a game that combines endurance with precision — and why it’s become one of his favorite pursuits.

Another golden episode where the cousin's cousin number matches their episode number. Devin visits Verlan Lewis for dinner at Zupas before going to Verlan's home for the interview.

Verlan shares memories of their grandparents, cousins at reunions, and even a special memory of spending time with Uncle Tim, Devin's father, and some other cousins when they went to the BYU bookstore on BYU's campus when Verlan and Devin were young.

Devin shares some memories and stories he gathered from Verlan's family. Verlan's love of sports and reading as a kid, having a Napolean complex, getting sick on a trip to California, eating alone on Thanksgiving, a skit he performed with his youngest brother, Hunter, in high school, and many more.

Verlan shares stories of his mission in South Africa, and he and Devin discuss the political upheaval that's been going on there for quite some time. Verlan shares the story of how he met his wife Kathryn, where they've lived since their marriage, and their 4 kids.

For the final topic, Verlan talks about UVU's Center for Constitutional Studies and all of the wonderful programs that it offers and how many of the cousins might be interested in it for their children, if not themselves. Devin asks more questions about Verlan and Hyrum's book "The Myth of Left and Right" as well as how we can apply the principles within it to other topics besides politics, like our relationships with our family and friends.

This interview was an incredible one, and Verlan and Devin have agreed to meet again for lunch to talk more soon.