Most leadership training is bullsh*t — not because leaders don’t care, but because it fails to change behavior where it actually matters.

In this episode of Wingspan's Leading Without the B.S., Wingspan Performance® Leadership Performance Advisors Heather Hopkins and Mike Johnson unpack why traditional leadership training fails, and what actually works when leaders are under pressure, overloaded, and responsible for real outcomes.

Drawing on decades of experience in manufacturing, engineering, and operations, Heather and Mike talk candidly about:

• Leaders showing up disengaged before training even starts
• How multitasking and “being busy” quietly sabotage leadership effectiveness
• The cost of unspoken expectations and assumed behavior
• What real accountability looks like in meetings, conversations, and daily leadership
• How leadership performance always starts with ownership — not tools

This isn’t theory. It’s a real-time look at how leaders think, speak, and show up, and how small shifts in language, questions, and presence create outsized impact.

If you’re responsible for people and results, and tired of leadership training that sounds good but doesn’t stick, this conversation delivers what actually moves the needle.

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