Josh and Bob discuss growing finance pressure over AI token spend—dubbed the “great token reckoning of 2027”—and the mismatch between claimed 10x developer productivity and lack of comparable revenue gains.

Bob shares a Silicon Valley example where companies over-invested in engineers while QA, automation, and release/validation became the bottleneck, arguing AI can worsen similar pipeline imbalances. They emphasize fundamentals: ROI discipline (including a 4x ARR target for SaaS features), measuring real customer usage, and balancing AI generation with human validation, especially in regulated domains.

Josh recounts investors dismissing a startup for not leading with AI, likening it to past hype cycles. They warn against using AI to shortcut stakeholder engagement, citing unvalidated AI-generated personas, and suggest emerging opportunities for “validator” roles and testers as companies rebalance workflows.

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What would change if you treated every person on your team as someone else's precious cargo? A friend of the show visited her son at Fort Bragg and came home less worried, because his leaders clearly took responsibility for the people under their watch. That post sent Bob and Josh into what caring for your team actually looks like in practice: the standard Josh holds every leader in his org to, why so few leaders know how to develop people, what happens to "team first" talk when the pressure's on, and the small, almost free actions that tell your people you've got them.

What you'll learn:

• The measuring stick Josh holds himself and every leader in his org to
• Why most leaders never learned how to develop people, and what they copy instead
• How to walk into a PIP with the goal of getting the person back on track
• What happens to "team first" leaders when the pressure hits
• Why a final check on a parachute that's already been checked 10 times is the model for caring leadership
• Small actions that cost almost nothing and show your team you care (the broken-down car, the new baby, the next-day call)
• Why Josh stopped softening "I'm a team-first leader" in job interviews, and what it did for his career
• The 1 prioritization question that tells you what kind of leader you are

• Jennifer Fields's LinkedIn post

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Open any hiring feed this year and you'll find a fresh list of skills for the AI era. Discernment. Judgment. Taste. Bob Galen and Josh Anderson think the list is fine. They just think it's old.

The human skills behind every team they're proud of (collaboration, coachability, comfort with ambiguity, a willingness to have the hard conversation) were always the job. AI picked up more of the technical work, and now everyone's noticing what was there the whole time.

Josh walks through how he hired a new squad every quarter at Dude Solutions without the whole thing resting on his shoulders. The team read Debugging Teams together so everyone shared the same picture of a great teammate. Then they wrote interview question sets for each trait and split them across the interview panel. When a hire missed, they treated it like a bug in the system and fixed the process before the next round.

Bob brings his attitude, aptitude, skills ordering, makes the case for working interviews where candidates spend an hour or two with the team, and draws a hard line on coachability. Josh pushes back with the people who've only ever worked for bad leaders and need someone to show them another way. (Bob agrees with him, which annoys Bob.)

They also get into neurodiversity and why "good teammate" can't mean "smiles a lot," why a team needs both the "yes we can" and the "no we can't" voices in the room, and why Josh wants you to hear one thing clearly: technical skill still matters. It's just easier to teach.