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Marketing automation platforms are the one piece of the MarTech stack everyone seems to have a complaint about, and Jaina Mistry, Director of Brand and Content at Knak, has a pretty clear theory on why. She joins Jay Schwedelson to unpack what marketers keep getting wrong when picking these platforms, why scoring leads on opens and clicks is a trap, and how a computer science grad who hated software engineering ended up running brand and content for some of the most-loved companies in email.

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Best Moments:

(02:00) The teenage Buffy fansite obsession that accidentally became a career

(04:30) Why being afraid of AI is the worst possible move for a marketer

(06:15) The real reason no one ever loves their marketing automation platform

(08:00) The shiny-feature magpie effect that wrecks most RFP processes

(10:45) Why marketers keep paying for features they have no idea they have

(13:00) The case for ditching opens and clicks as scoring signals

(20:30) A surprisingly strong soft spot for the Saw movies