What's the difference between having a dream and having a vision?

At twenty-one, Gina L. Osborn was a cocktail waitress attending junior college with a dream of working for the CIA, but no degree, no intelligence experience, and no obvious way to get there. Then a chance conversation in a college library showed her a path she had never considered.

In this episode of Making Maverick Moves, Gina shares how that moment changed the trajectory of her life and why a powerful vision doesn't require knowing exactly how the story will end. It requires seeing the future clearly enough to start making decisions for it today.

Because a dream is a future you want. A vision is a future you're committed to building.

In Army basic training, someone explained the glass ceiling to me for the first time. That conversation led to one of the most important decisions Gina L. Osborn ever made. In this episode, she shareswhy she chose not to let someone else's prediction determine my future, and how that decision shaped her career from Army Counterintelligence to the FBI and beyond. The obstacles that define us are often not the ones we face, but the ones we choose to believe.

Six months after leaving her job as a cocktail waitress, Gina L. Osborn was serving in Belgium as one of the few female Army counterintelligence agents in her battalion. She already felt she had something to prove.

Then she put diesel fuel into both government sedans assigned to her detachment, disabling nearly its entire vehicle fleet in less than an hour.

Gina was certain the mistake would confirm every doubt about whether she belonged. Instead, that humiliating morning taught her lasting lessons about vulnerability, resilience, leadership, and the unexpected power of asking for help.

In the Season Two premiere of Making Maverick Moves, Gina shares how the mistake she thought would end her career ultimately made her a more compassionate and effective leader throughout her years in the Army and FBI.

This week's Maverick Move: Keep the lesson. Let go of the shame. Then make your next move.

Follow Gina's journey as she completes her Cold War spy thriller, Women in the Corners, at ginalosborn.com

In this powerful season finale, host Gina L. Osborn — Army veteran, former FBI Assistant Special Agent in Charge, leadership advisor, and keynote speaker — reflects on the "seasons" that define our personal and professional journeys.

Not spring, summer, fall, and winter, but the ones we live through: the seasons of waiting, preparation, and harvest. Drawing from her own experience leaving the FBI, rebuilding her identity, and launching Making Maverick Moves, Gina reminds us that every season has a purpose — and that the quiet moments of growth often set the stage for our greatest breakthroughs.

In this episode, you'll learn:

• 🌱 How to recognize which season you're in — waiting, preparation, or harvest.

• 🌧 Why the "silent" seasons aren't punishment, but preparation.

• 🔨 How to use times of uncertainty to sharpen your mindset, skills, and purpose.

• 🌸 What it looks like to step into your harvest season — and bring others with you.

• 💡 The Maverick lesson: true leadership isn't just about rising, it's about lifting.

Key Quotes

"Winter doesn't mean the tree is dead. It means it's gathering strength for spring."

"When the door opens, it's too late to get ready."

"The most powerful thing you can do when the spotlight's on you is to widen the light."

Takeaway
Every season — even the quiet ones — serves a purpose. Whether you're waiting, preparing, or thriving, your courage to grow through each stage will define the legacy you leave behind.

Call to Action
Take a moment today and ask yourself:

"What season am I in — and how can I move through it with grace, courage, and purpose?"

Connect with Gina L. Osborn:
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What if the key to your next opportunity isn't confidence… it's courage?

This week on Making Maverick Moves, Gina L. Osborn — retired FBI Assistant Special Agent in Charge and Army veteran — talks with Katie McEvilly, Senior Vice President and Branch Banking Market Leader at U.S. Bank, about building courage, finding mentors, and learning to trust yourself enough to take bold leaps forward.

Katie's story proves that purpose often finds us when we least expect it. From starting as an "accidental banker" to leading teams across California, she shares what she's learned about:

💥 Saying yes before you feel ready
💥 Building courage like a muscle — through action and repetition
💥 Getting out of your own way and trusting those who believe in you
💥 Leading with authenticity and consistency — because people are always watching
💥 Giving yourself grace to grow and redefine what leadership looks like

As Gina and Katie remind us, leadership doesn't just happen in the spotlight. It's built in the small moments — the hallway chats, the quiet decisions, and the way you show up when no one seems to be watching.

If you've ever questioned your next move, this episode is your reminder to trust yourself, lean into your mentors, and take the leap anyway.

As she enters her 24th year with U.S. Bank, Katie McEvilly recently began a new position as Branch Banking Market Leader – Orange County South Bay.

After five years in Wealth Management, she's excited to return home to the Branch Banking team — working alongside the California CBB Leadership Team and OCSB Leadership Team to serve teams, clients, and communities across Southern California.

Learn more about U.S. Bank and their leadership initiatives at www.usbank.com.

Gina L. Osborn is a retired FBI Assistant Special Agent in Charge, U.S. Army veteran, international keynote speaker, and leadership expert.

During her 28-year career in national security, Gina led counterterrorism, cybercrime, and crisis management programs — including the investigation of the notorious Sony hack. She has served as the FBI's highest-ranking female executive in Los Angeles and later as Chief of Security for LA Metro.

Today, Gina empowers leaders to make bold, values-driven decisions through her Making Maverick Moves podcast, her Substack series Declassified, and her keynote talks on leading through chaos, crisis, and change.

Learn more at www.ginalosborn.com.

🎙️ Host: Gina L. Osborn — Retired FBI Assistant Special Agent in Charge, Army Veteran, Keynote Speaker, and Leadership Expert
👤 Guest: Katie McEvilly, Senior Vice President & Branch Banking Market Leader – Orange County South Bay, U.S. Bank
🎧 Podcast: Making Maverick Moves
💻 Produced by: Sunny Side Up Marketing
🎥 Video Editing & Production: Gina L. Osborn and Sunny Side Up Marketing
📍 Recorded in Orange County, California

🎧 Making Maverick Moves on YouTube, Spotify, and Apple Podcasts
💻 Visit www.ginalosborn.com for more episodes, leadership insights, and Gina's Substack Declassified.

🔗 Website: https://www.ginalosborn.com
📸 Instagram: @ginalosborn
💼 LinkedIn: Gina L. Osborn
🎙️ Podcast: Making Maverick Moves

What if the very thing holding you back as a leader isn't your expertise—but your fear of speaking up?

In this episode of Making Maverick Moves, host Gina L. Osborn sits down with Deborah Shames, co-founder of Eloqui and author of Out Front: How Women Can Become Engaging, Memorable, and Fearless Speakers.

Deborah shares her journey from stage fright to speaking mastery, revealing how anyone can project confidence, own their voice, and connect with audiences authentically. You'll learn how to:
✅ Transform fear into power before a big presentation
✅ Replace outdated templates with storytelling that connects
✅ Build executive presence that commands attention
✅ Communicate as your authentic self — not a performer

Whether you're leading a team, presenting to clients, or preparing for your next big opportunity, this conversation will help you speak with confidence, courage, and charisma.

🎧 Timestamps:
00:00 – Introduction to Overcoming Fear of Public Speaking
00:22 – Meet Deborah Shames: Communication Expert
01:02 – Personal Journey: From Fear to Confidence
01:50 – Modern Public Speaking Techniques
02:37 – Empowering Women Through Public Speaking
04:44 – The Power of Storytelling
05:03 – Templates and Techniques for Effective Speaking
05:40 – The TEDx Experience: A Turning Point
08:50 – Debunking Public Speaking Myths
09:45 – Leadership and Authenticity in Public Speaking
10:09 – Practical Tips for Executive Presence
11:29 – Effective Communication in Leadership Roles
13:08 – Final Thoughts and Resources

👩‍💼 Guest: Deborah Shames
🌐 www.eloqui.biz
📘 Out Front: How Women Can Become Engaging, Memorable, and Fearless Speakers

🎙️ Host: Gina L. Osborn
Retired FBI Assistant Special Agent in Charge | Former Chief of Security, LA Metro | International Speaker & Leadership Expert

🌐 Website: www.ginalosborn.com
🔗 LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/ginalosborn
📸 Instagram: instagram.com/ginalosborn
▶️ YouTube: @ginalosborn
📰 Substack: www.ginalosborn.substack.com

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In this episode of Making Maverick Moves, Gina L. Osborn sits down with Renée Marino, a former Broadway actress turned communication expert, to explore what it really takes to connect in today's digital world.

From commanding the Broadway stage in Jersey Boys to coaching leaders and entrepreneurs, Renée shares her journey of discovering that the most powerful form of communication isn't about performance—it's about presence. Together, Gina and Renée dive into the power of authenticity, vulnerability, and listening as essential tools for leadership and trust.

Renée reminds us that human connection is irreplaceable, that self-communication is where it all begins, and that the voice inside us can be our greatest guide—if we choose to listen.

• Why authentic connection matters more than ever in a digital age

• How self-communication shapes the way we lead and relate to others

• The role of vulnerability in building trust and influence

• Why technology should amplify—not replace—real connection

• How leaders can foster cultures of communication and trust

• The secret to truly listening and being heard

Authentic communication begins within. When you lead with vulnerability and listen with intention, you create the kind of connection that inspires action—and that's what makes a Maverick Move.

Renée Marino is a former Broadway actress, communication coach, and the author of Becoming a Master Communicator. Named one of Yahoo Finance's "Top Communication Coaches to Follow," she helps people bridge the gap between digital and human connection to lead with authenticity and confidence.

Website: reneemarino.com
Instagram: @iamreneemarino
LinkedIn: Renée Marino

Gina L. Osborn is a retired FBI Assistant Special Agent in Charge, former Chief of Security for LA Metro, and U.S. Army Counterintelligence veteran. During her FBI career, she led investigations into cybercrime, terrorism, and organized crime—including overseeing the response to the Sony Pictures hack.

Today, Gina is a keynote speaker, leadership consultant, and host of Making Maverick Moves, where she shares stories of courage, transformation, and the maverick mindset it takes to lead through change.

Learn more at www.ginalosborn.com

Making Maverick Moves is hosted by Gina L. Osborn and produced by Sunny Side Up Marketing. Theme music: Epic Trailer and Violin Life (Descript Stock Media). © 2025 Gina L. Osborn & Associates. Listen & Subscribe: YouTube, Apple Podcasts, Spotify — and leave a review to help more mavericks find the show!

In this episode of Making Maverick Moves, I sit down with Kabri Lehrman-Schmid, a superintendent who has led more than $1.9 billion in construction projects. In an industry built on grit and contracts, Kabri is proving that curiosity, authenticity, and compassion are the real blueprints for change.

We talk about:

• The challenges of being a woman in a male-dominated field
• How to turn pressure into power
• Why empowering overlooked voices transforms entire cultures
• Bringing mental health to the forefront of construction

Learn more about Gina L. Osborn:

• 🌐 Website: www.ginalosborn.com
• 📖 Bio & Speaking: www.ginalosborn.com/speaking
• 📰 Articles: www.ginalosborn.com/articles
• 🎙️ Podcast Episodes: www.ginalosborn.com/podcast

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