在本集《Making It》中，我們邀請到了著名陶藝家、教育家及大館 Touch Gallery 的創辦人 Anders Wong（黃森）。Anders 是一位不僅僅停留在技法，更深入探討藝術哲學的思想者。

從大學時期的迷惘，到經歷三年每天在 Starbucks 苦讀哲學書的「閉關修煉」，Anders 分享了他如何參透「色即是空，空即是色」，並將這種「無形」的概念轉化為他在陶藝創作與教學上的獨特心法。他坦言自己以前也是個會問「藝術是什麼」的學生，但現在他的腦袋轉速比常人快三倍，因為他學會了打破框架。

我們深入探討了他如何在大館運營三個展示空間，將生活與藝術結合，以及他如何透過「頌缽」與社區項目（如疫情期間的許願陶鈴）來療癒人心。Anders 更展現了香港人特有的「不死精神」，分享了他如何在昂貴的租金與高壓環境下，依然堅持推動本土藝術發展。

如果你是一位在創作路上感到迷惘的藝術家，或是對如何平衡藝術追求與商業生存感興趣的聽眾，Anders 充滿智慧與禪意的分享絕對能為你帶來新的啟發。

🎧 本集精彩亮點：

開始收聽，打破你對藝術的既定認知。

CHAPTERS: 0:00 - Intro: 誰是 Anders Wong?01:45 - 星期二、三的堅持：在繁忙中保持純真06:08 - 在畫廊裡做 Studio：拉近大師與學生的距離16:47 - 三年哲學苦讀：參透「色即是空」的轉捩點25:52 - 聲音的藝術：原來家裡的飯碗也能演奏？29:58 - 疫情下的藝術力量：陶鈴與回家吃飯碗41:26 - 香港藝術家的特質：租金壓力下的「不死精神」44:28 - 給政府的建議：如何零成本打造藝術城市？49:12 - 人者無敵：Kindness 作為人生與藝術的最高指導

QUOTES FROM THE EPISODE: "到了三年之後你突然覺得，什麼都是，什麼都不是... 我覺得我的腦子是走快了三倍的。" - Anders Wong "香港獨特之處是很簡單的，就是我們是不死的... 因為我們每天要承擔的是很昂貴的租金很昂貴的人工，所以你是不能輸的。" - Anders Wong "其實藝術就是一個無形的東西，你懂得去玩弄他，其實他可以是任何東西，是變形蟲。" - Anders Wong

ABOUT THE GUEST: Anders Wong（黃森）是一位香港資深陶藝家及藝術教育者。他不僅是 Touch Gallery 的創辦人，更進駐大館推動當代陶瓷藝術與生活美學。擁有深厚的藝術與哲學背景，Anders 擅長以跨界思維引導學生，並致力於透過展覽、教學與慈善活動，將藝術融入大眾生活。

ABOUT THE HOST: Alex See 致力於將香港打造成藝術家和創意人能夠茁壯成長的地方。透過《Making It》，Alex 採訪塑造文化的思想領袖，揭示在創意產業中取得成功的關鍵。

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In this episode of Making It, we sit down with Michael Rothling, a "2.0 Entrepreneur" who defies every corporate stereotype. A toy company CEO who took over the family business at 23, Michael blends the disciplined business acumen of his German father with the explosive, fashionable flair of his Italian mother.

From tufting rugs to utilizing AI for "Brain Rot" trends, Michael approaches business as a performance art. We dive deep into his philosophy of "Self Branding"—why he deliberately dresses in loud, pink outfits to sell emotion and experience rather than just products. Michael opens up vulnerably about his past battles with bullying, severe acne, and a recent "dark tunnel" of depression, explaining how art became his weapon to find light again.

We also discuss the "Kidult" market revolution, why having enemies is actually a sign of success (and fuel for your fire), and his passionate defense of Hong Kong as the ultimate safe haven for international business.

If you are an entrepreneur trying to find your unique voice, or a creative navigating the intersection of commerce and art, Michael’s colorful, fearless approach to life and business is essential listening.

🎧 IN THIS EPISODE, WE COVER:

CHAPTERS:

0:00 - Intro: Who is Michael Roffling?

02:02 - The "Entrepreneur 2.0" & Mixing Toys with Art

05:24 - Inheriting a Legacy: The German Father & Italian Mother

11:36 - The Strategy of the "Paradise Bird" (Self-Branding)

13:12 - "Money gives you a better class of enemy"

14:43 - Art Process: Tufting, Splashing, and ChatGPT

28:00 - The Problem with "Toy Art" & Mass Production

38:43 - Childhood Trauma & The "Dark Tunnel" of Depression

46:58 - Advice to a 16-Year-Old: "Don't Give a Sh*t"

51:52 - Why Hong Kong is the Safest Hub for Creatives

56:04 - A Vision for HK: Attracting International Artists

QUOTES FROM THE EPISODE:

"Money can't buy your friends, but it can give you a better class of enemy... I’m a fire. And if you put gasoline on the fire, it grows more up." - Michael Roffling

"I don't give a sh*t what other people think... It is not a rebellion. It is self-branding. It is self-security to go on the street dressed like this." - Michael Roffling

"I look at the toy in the aesthetic way, not into the emotional way... Yes, I am a Santa Claus... but I see toy more in aesthetic and how it's presented on the shelf." - Michael Roffling

ABOUT THE GUEST:

Michael Rothling is a Hong Kong-based toy industry entrepreneur and artist. Taking over his family's toy manufacturing business at a young age, he has evolved the company by integrating modern trends like the "Kidult" market and AI technology. He is also a practicing artist, utilizing mediums like tufting and splash art to express his vibrant, "Paradise Bird" persona and navigate mental health challenges.

ABOUT THE HOST:

Alex See is on a mission to make Hong Kong a place where artists and creatives can thrive. Through Making It, Alex interviews the minds shaping the culture to uncover what it takes to succeed in the creative industries.

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Is art just a decoration, or is it a historical record of a city disappearing before our eyes?

In this episode of Making It, we sit down with Rick Lo, a Hong Kong artist and lecturer who balances the "slash" life of being both a designer and a creative artist.

Rick’s work is a love letter to a Hong Kong that is fading fast. From capturing the iconic neon signs of the 80s to the nostalgic "Airplane Olive" throwers, Rick views his role not just as a creator, but as a historian capturing the city's fleeting moments. We explore his internal tug-of-war between his rational designer brain and his desire for artistic freedom, and his latest experiments with Chinese calligraphy to break his own rules.

If you are struggling to balance a full-time job with your creative passion, or want to understand the role of art as a "buffer" in a stressful society, this conversation is for you.

🎧 IN THIS EPISODE, WE COVER:

The "Slash" Identity: Navigating the blurry line between being a client-focused designer and an expressive artist.

The Historian's Mission: Why Rick feels a responsibility to "record everything before it fades out" in Hong Kong.

Art vs. Design: How he fights the urge to make everything logical and learns to embrace the spontaneous.

The Plane Window: The story behind his viral AR artwork that captures the emotion of leaving and returning to HK.

Buffering Society: Rick’s view that art isn't just about healing, but creating a necessary "buffer zone" for stressed citizens.

The Google Doc Habit: The surprisingly rigid way Henry tracks his life to create space for creativity.

Future of HK Art: Why integrating art into daily community life is more important than expensive museums.

Start listening to rediscover the city you live in.

CHAPTERS:

0:00 - Intro: Why artists need to share their stories

03:12 - Who is Rick Lo? (The Designer vs. Artist struggle)

08:26 - The "Commercial" Trap: Do people like it, or do I like it?

12:00 - Art Fairs vs. Galleries: Why strangers give the best feedback

16:40 - The "Plane Window" & "Hot Air Balloon": Capturing the migration wave

20:01 - Recording History: Why he paints neon lights & old Hong Kong

23:40 - "Airplane Olives": Nostalgia for a disappearing culture

32:05 - Visual Evolution: Moving from rigid lines to color and calligraphy

42:53 - The "Be Nice" Philosophy: Why kindness is a survival skill

46:00 - Advice to his 16-Year-Old Self: "Be Brave"

49:43 - The Google Doc: Tracking every moment of life since 2018

51:45 - Art as a "Buffer": The artist's role in Hong Kong society

54:22 - Opportunities & Challenges: Space, sponsorship, and community

QUOTES FROM THE EPISODE:

"I don't want to use healing. I want to use buffering... Having the society to have a little bit of a sense of space to think of what the room to play with." - Rick Lo

"If a city doesn't have an artist, it is kind of like a nightmare. And everything will be boring and not fun at all." - Rick Lo

"You need to get rid of the life that you have probably, and then try something new... Be brave." - Rick Lo

ABOUT THE GUEST:

Rick Lo is a Hong Kong-based artist, designer, and lecturer. He is known for his digital artworks that capture the unique urban landscape of Hong Kong, from cyberpunk tram rides to nostalgic neon signages. Blending his background in design with artistic expression, Rick aims to record the shifting identity of the city, acting as a visual historian for a landscape that is constantly evolving.

ABOUT THE HOST:

Alex See is on a mission to make Hong Kong a place where artists and creatives can thrive. Through Making It, Alex interviews the minds shaping the culture to uncover what it takes to succeed in the creative industries.

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Can an AI engineer master the soul of traditional painting?

In this episode of Making It, we sit down with Eric Luke, a realism artist with a surprising background: he’s a computer scientist who spent 20 years coding AI to recognize faces before the technology was mainstream.

From training algorithms to mastering the brushstrokes of Baroque and Impressionist masters, Eric approaches art as the ultimate problem-solving exercise. We dive deep into his unique philosophy—treating a blank canvas like an engineering problem where you must "break it down piece by piece." Eric opens up about the counter-intuitive discipline of knowing what not to paint, explaining why "the more detail you paint, the worse is the painting."

We also discuss the psychology of handwriting and brushwork, the unique advantages Hong Kong offers for "Art Tech," and his fascinating proposal to turn the entire city into a "treasure hunt" museum.

If you are a creative balancing a "practical" career with your passion, or an artist wrestling with the existential threat of AI, Eric’s logical yet deeply human perspective on why the "process" matters more than the "product" is essential listening.

🎧 IN THIS EPISODE, WE COVER:

• The Engineer Artist: How Eric’s background in computer science and AI shapes his realism art.
• Art as Problem Solving: Finding happiness in breaking complex images down piece by piece.
• The Detail Trap: Why painting too much detail ruins the expressiveness of a piece.
• Impressionist History: How a group of French artists turned a critic's insult into a global movement.
• Psychology of Style: Throwing the "responsibility" of understanding an image back to the viewer.
• Hong Kong’s Edge: Why HK is the perfect lab for Art Tech and the need for a secondary-school art academy.
• AI vs. Humanity: Why generative AI can never replace the joy of the human artistic process.

Start listening to engineer your own creativity.

CHAPTERS:

0:00 - Intro: Why we are having this conversation

02:53 - Who is Eric Lu? (Computer Scientist & Realism Artist)

04:04 - Training AI to see faces vs. Painting faces

07:22 - Finding happiness in "Problem Solving"

13:25 - The Paradox of Detail: Why "Less is More"

18:29 - Can anyone learn to paint like a Master?

21:31 - The Story of Impressionism: Turning insults into identity

27:10 - Reviewing Eric's 25-year-old Master Copy

32:29 - The Psychology of Handwriting & Brushstrokes

38:04 - Learning "Cute" Art (Chikawa) from Students

42:13 - Why Hong Kong is the future hub of Art Tech

44:03 - The Education Gap: Missing art academies in HK

49:15 - A Vision for HK: The "City Museum" Treasure Hunt

52:45 - The Elephant in the Room: Art in the age of AI

QUOTES FROM THE EPISODE:

"The more detail you paint, the worse is the painting, actually... You lose the spirit and expressiveness." - Eric Luke

"If you ever try to solve some problem in your life... when you break it down piece by piece and you finish that piece by piece, it is the source of the happiness." - Eric Luke

"It is all about the process. It is not about the product... AI cannot take it away from you." - Eric Luke

ABOUT THE GUEST:

Eric Luke is a Hong Kong-based realism artist and educator who bridges the gap between technology and tradition. Originally trained as a computer scientist working in early facial recognition AI, Eric applies an analytical, problem-solving mindset to Western traditional art. He specializes in figurative painting and anatomy, blending the techniques of Baroque masters with the philosophy of Impressionism.

ABOUT THE HOST:

Alex See is on a mission to make Hong Kong a place where artists and creatives can thrive. Through Making It, Alex interviews the minds shaping the culture to uncover what it takes to succeed in the creative industries.

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Is comfort the enemy of creativity?

In this episode of Making It, we sit down with Yuho Chang, a former jewelry designer turned abstract painter who describes herself as a "free bird" and a "bold, fearless soul."

From finding traditional landscape painting "boring" to obsessively learning abstract techniques via Google and YouTube, Yuho shares her reinvention story with infectious energy. We dive deep into her creative pivot—moving from fine jewelry to large-scale ink and acrylics—and her philosophy that "once you are in comfort, you are in a problem." Yuho opens up about the vulnerability of facing critics who claim "a kindergartner could do that," and shares the practical hustle required to knock on gallery doors in Hong Kong.

If you are a creative looking to pivot your career, or an artist struggling with the fear of rejection, Yuho’s advice on why you need to "dive 100% in" is exactly what you need to hear.

🎧 IN THIS EPISODE, WE COVER:

The Pivot: Why Yuho left jewelry design and found traditional painting "boring."

Self-Taught Hustle: How curiosity, Google, and painting day and night launched her new career.

The Critique: Dealing with the "my kid could paint that" comments and turning hurt into growth.

City Energy: How the hustle of Hong Kong, Tokyo, and New York inspires her "Cityscape" series.

The "5 Nos" Rule: A practical mindset for handling rejection from galleries (and why you should keep knocking).

Breaking Barriers: Challenging ageism in art "open calls" and advocating for local Hong Kong talent.

Start listening to challenge your own comfort zone.

CHAPTERS: 0:00 - Intro: Why we are having this conversation

02:33 - Who is Yuho Chang? (Abstract Painter & Free Bird)

04:15 - "It was boring": Why she rejected traditional painting

06:19 - Being "Bold and Fearless" with color

12:18 - Cityscapes: Finding inspiration in the hustle (and capsule hotels)

14:40 - The "Little People": What brings a city to life

21:02 - The Philosophy: "Once you are in comfort, you are in problem"

23:40 - The Obsession: Painting day and night

26:05 - Advice to her 16-Year-Old Self: "You talk too much"

30:50 - The "Kindergarten" Critique: Handling bad reviews

36:40 - Sales Advice: Go out and get 5 "Nos"

40:50 - Does Hong Kong support local artists enough?

43:05 - Fighting Ageism: Why art has no expiration date

QUOTES FROM THE EPISODE:

"Once you're in comfort, you are in problem... I always want to challenge myself and to be better." - Yuho Chang

"I am a free bird... expressing myself on the canvas. That's who I am—bold and freely free soul." - Yuho Chang

"Believe in yourself that if I can do it, you can do it. And it's just simple as one, two, three." - Yuho Chang

ABOUT THE GUEST:

Yuho Chang is a Hong Kong-based abstract artist and former creative jewelry designer. Known for her bold use of ink and acrylics, she describes herself as a "free bird" who transitioned from traditional influences to fearless abstraction. She combines the hustle of a city girl with an unshakeable belief in self-expression and the power of diving 100% into your passion.

ABOUT THE HOST:

Alex See is on a mission to make Hong Kong a place where artists and creatives can thrive. Through Making It, Alex interviews the minds shaping the culture to uncover what it takes to succeed in the creative industries.

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Does the "starving artist" myth define the Hong Kong art scene, or is it time to change the narrative?

In this episode of Making It, we sit down with YC, a self-described "simple, fun woman" and one of the most uninhibited voices in the Hong Kong art scene.

From being placed in art classes as "daycare" at age six to navigating the realities of high rent and ageism in local galleries, YC shares her journey with refreshing honesty. We dive deep into her unique creative process—transforming photos of tree bark into abstract villages—and her philosophy that art should be a "love letter to yourself." YC challenges us to take off the "masks" (and the black clothes) that so many Hong Konger's wear and simply embrace the fun of being alive.

If you are an artist tired of the "starving" label, or someone looking to break free from societal expectations, this conversation is for you.

🎧 IN THIS EPISODE, WE COVER:

• The Origin Story: How a childhood "daycare" art class turned into a lifelong calling.
• Visual Alchemy: YC's unique method of finding hidden worlds in tree bark and wood grain.
• The HK Reality: The truth about high rent, ageism in galleries, and the "starving artist" stigma.
• East Meets West: How her American-Italian aunt and travels in China shaped her fusion style.
• The Vision: Why Hong Kong needs a "Wine & Dine Festival"—but for local artists.
• Life Philosophy: Why YC believes "the more I meet people, the more I love my dog."

Start listening to reframe your own creative journey.

CHAPTERS:

0:00 - Intro: Why we are having this conversation

01:36 - Who is YC? (The "Fun Woman" of HK Art)

02:40 - Started at 6: Art class as "daycare"

06:00 - The Process: Talking to the canvas & tree bark inspiration

11:08 - East Meets West: The influence of Aunt Maria

16:58 - Why abstract art is harder than it looks

20:00 - "Life is Short": Why YC refuses to wear black

21:58 - What's Next: Getting messy with pottery

25:40 - The #1 Challenge: High rent & "Starving Artists"

30:30 - The truth about Ageism in Hong Kong galleries

36:53 - The Vision: A "Street Fair" for Local Artists

40:48 - Final Message: Take off the mask & be yourself

QUOTES FROM THE EPISODE:

"The more I meet people, the more I love my dog... Why you have to put a mask on? Just be yourself." - YC

"I know I will be an artist... but I end up becoming an artist, a starving artist. I don't know whether my mom is proud of me or not, but I'm an artist now." - YC

"Life is short... Today I can be a lady. Tomorrow I can be boyish or sporty. Why not? Life should be fun." - YC

ABOUT THE GUEST:

YC is a Hong Kong-based artist known for her "East meets West" style and her unique ability to find patterns and stories in natural textures like tree bark. Describing herself as a "fun, funny woman," she creates art as a form of personal diary, refusing to be restricted by a single style or societal expectation.

ABOUT THE HOST:

Alex See is on a mission to make Hong Kong a place where artists and creatives can thrive. Through Making It, Alex interviews the minds shaping the culture to uncover what it takes to succeed in the creative industries.

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In this episode of Making It, we sit down with Kaly, a Hong Kong-based artist and graphic designer, to explore how she uses art to answer the ultimate question: "Who am I?"

From the "rainbow pencil" that sparked her journey to the reality of navigating anxiety in a high-intensity city, Kaly opens up about why she creates to preserve her "most innocent moment." We dive deep into the unique "hustle" of the Hong Kong art scene, the constant battle for space versus the need for connection, and why she believes that a supportive community is the only way for artists to truly thrive.

If you are a creative trying to balance the grind with your passion, or someone looking to reconnect with their inner child, this conversation is for you.

🎧 IN THIS EPISODE, WE COVER:

• The Spark: How a simple rainbow pencil and a Paul Klee painting ignited a lifelong passion.
• Art as Identity: Using creativity to answer "Who am I?" and reconnect with childhood innocence.
• The HK Paradox: Why Hong Kong is both "oversimulated" and a "very inspired place."
• Community Over Space: Why shared studios and supportive networks matter more than square footage.
• Managing Chaos: How art serves as a tool to process sensory overload and anxiety.

Start listening to reframe your own creative journey.

CHAPTERS:

0:00 - Intro: Why we are having this conversation

01:35 - Who is Kaly? (Graphic Designer & Artist)

03:12 - The Rainbow Pencil: Earliest creative memory

04:28 - Inspiration from Paul Klee ("Castle and Sun")

11:14 - Answering the question "Who am I?"

19:03 - The "Hustle": Balancing money and art in HK

20:32 - Finding inspiration in overstimulation

26:02 - Minimalism vs. Chaos

28:29 - The real solution: Supportive community & shared space

34:29 - Coping with panic attacks through color

39:36 - Final thoughts: "Artists are children that survived"

QUOTES FROM THE EPISODE:

"I think my art actually answers some big question to myself is that who am I... I want to keep those innocent and the positive energy when I was kid and put this in my work right now." - Kaly

"Space is definitely one of the biggest challenge... but having a very supportive community will help us get through everything. Because we craving to make art so no matter what, we're gonna make it anyway." - Kaly

ABOUT THE GUEST: Kaly is a Hong Kong-based artist and graphic designer who uses creation to understand emotions and memories. Her recent work explores the intersection of childhood innocence and the chaotic, textured energy of Hong Kong. IG: @kalyzz

ABOUT THE HOST: Alex See is on a mission to make Hong Kong a place where artists and creatives can thrive. Through Making It, Alex interviews the minds shaping the culture to uncover what it takes to succeed in the creative industries. IG: @alexseesworld

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Does creativity take practice, or is it as natural as breathing?

In this episode of Making It, we sit down with Nance, a Hong Kong-based artist and digital designer, to explore the transformative journey from corporate life to full-time artistry.

After a layoff in 2023 pushed her to pivot, Nance discovered that the twists and turns of life—the "things that had to go wrong"—were actually preparing her for her true calling. We dive deep into the unique "hustle" of the Hong Kong art scene, why this city is the ultimate connector for creatives, and how to create art that "messes with people's heads" to spark real conversation.

If you are an artist, a creator, or someone looking to embrace their innate curiosity, this conversation is for you.

🎧 IN THIS EPISODE, WE COVER:

• The Pivot: How Nance transitioned from Art Director to full-time Artist.
• Defining Creativity: Why Nance believes creativity is an innate human trait, "like breathing."
• The HK Advantage: Why Hong Kong’s density makes it easier to meet CEOs, gallery owners, and collaborators.
• Visual Philosophy: How Nance uses texture and optical illusions to represent life's uneven journey.
• Future Plans: Inside the move to Wong Chuk Hang, Hong Kong’s rising art hub.

Start listening to reframe your own creative journey.

CHAPTERS:

0:00 - Intro: Why we are having this conversation 01:44 - Who is Nance? (From Digital Design to Fine Art)

05:08 - "Creativity is like breathing"

07:49 - The early inspiration: Growing up with a creative mother

12:06 - The Art Style: Messing with the viewer’s head

16:06 - Using art to reflect on life’s twists and turns

18:28 - Why "things had to go wrong" for us to be here

19:54 - Moving to the new art hub: Wong Chuk Hang

24:30 - The unique opportunities for artists in Hong Kong

29:46 - The challenge of finding the right gallery

38:22 - Nance’s legacy and final message

QUOTES FROM THE EPISODE:

"I like to say this: A lot of things had to go right and a few things had to go wrong for us to have this conversation." - Nance

"I think creativity is just like part of your existence. It's like breathing. I don't think there's a point where I could say, 'I've become creative.'" - Nance

ABOUT THE GUEST:

Nance is a Hong Kong-based artist and digital designer known for her layered, textured work that explores the "journey" of life. Moving from the UK to Hong Kong, she now works out of the up-and-coming art district of Wong Chuk Hang.

📸 Instagram: @by_nance

ABOUT THE HOST:

Alex See is on a mission to make Hong Kong a place where artists and creatives can thrive. Through Making It, Alex interviews the minds shaping the culture to uncover what it takes to succeed in the creative industries.

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