MVP breaks down the six rules of being a wrestling heel and explains why a real heel should be believable, disliked, and focused on getting heat instead of cheers. He digs into lessons from Arn Anderson and William Regal, the Ric Flair model of cowardly heel psychology, and why Finlay, Stone Cold Steve Austin, and Dirty Dom show what happens when the audience decides how a character is received.

The conversation shifts to the culture MVP entered as Antonio Banks, including Michael Hayes telling him that “business gets done at the bar,” the pressure to fit into wrestling’s old-school road lifestyle, and why MVP believes the wellness program ultimately saved lives. Then comes one of the episode’s funniest stories: Cuban Assassin Fidel Sierra suggesting that Banks capitalize on The Rock’s popularity by becoming “The Stone.”

The final stretch goes completely off the rails as MVP reveals his new Kali Uchis crush, talks about sliding into Chelsea Handler’s DMs, and debates phone numbers versus Instagram. Before wrapping, MVP and Dwayne confirm they would be babyfaces in their eventual tag match, and MVP tells Dwayne it is almost time for his first official in-ring training session.

About Marking Out with MVP & Dwayne Swayze:

Marking Out with MVP & Dwayne Swayze is a weekly pro wrestling podcast where longtime friends Montel Vontavious Porter (MVP), a former WWE United States Champion and current AEW star and manager of The Hurt Syndicate, and Dwayne Swayze, a Houston based rapper, songwriter, and recording artist, get into the world of professional wrestling. Every week MVP and Dwayne break down wrestling history, promos, match psychology, road stories, and the business behind the spectacle, with the occasional guest joining the conversation.

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