April 28th at The Other Side brought another killer metal lineup.

Chimaira.
Diecast.
36 Crazyfists.
Nothing Permanent.
Disjointed from Muskogee.

But the thing that gets everybody talking is the age restriction on the flyer.

Must be 14 to enter. Must be 21 to drink.

Why 14?

Why not 16 or 18?

The guys start questioning where that particular number came from, and the conversation turns to whether a parent had complained about one of the shows.

There is even some speculation that Randy, the owner, might have come up with the rule.

And of course, somebody points out that 14-year-olds have probably heard a few bad words before.

Meanwhile, the guys give some love to Diecast and Disjointed, remembering just how good those bands were.

A great underground metal show.

A strange age restriction.

And another piece of Oklahoma concert history from The Other Side.

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Some venues are more than just places to play music.

Cain’s Ballroom in Tulsa is one of them.

The conversation turns to Cross Canadian Ragweed, Texas Hippie Coalition, and the first time stepping inside the legendary Cain’s Ballroom.

At first, it was just another show on the schedule.

But then came the walk around the building.

The pictures on the walls.

The history.

Bob Wills and His Texas Playboys.

Suddenly, it became clear that this was not just another concert venue.

This was a room where legends had stood.

The kind of musicians whose names would still be remembered long after they were gone.

And that is what makes Cain’s Ballroom so special.

It is not just about playing a great show.

It is about becoming part of something bigger.

The guys talk about how musicians work their entire lives hoping their names and music will outlive them.

Max sums it up with one word.

Longevity.

Cross Canadian Ragweed.

Texas Hippie Coalition.

Cain’s Ballroom.

And a reminder that the greatest legacy in music is being remembered long after the final encore.

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Davit Souders, Curley's, IKON 2.0, & The Hive

Oklahoma's underground music scene had some legendary venues, and this one went through several changes.

May 11, 2006.

The Hive.

But before it was The Hive, it was Curley's.

Then Davit Souders took over and turned it into IKON 2.0.

That did not last long.

Maybe six to nine months.

Then it became The Hive.

The guys remember how Davit tried to bring back the magic of the original IKON, booking industrial acts and underground bands.

But something was different.

The original IKON was a smaller room, several blocks away.

IKON 2.0 was huge.

And as the guys explain, you do not book up-and-coming underground bands in a massive room.

You put them in a smaller club where the crowd and energy fit.

Davit also worked closely with Larry Schaefer, who helped provide a place for shows that were too big for IKON.

After IKON closed, Davit continued working with Larry at The Caves.

And according to the guys, Davit is still involved in the music business today.

Curley's.

IKON 2.0.

The Hive.

Different names, different eras, and another piece of Oklahoma concert history worth remembering.

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Ever wonder where the money goes when you buy a VIP concert experience?

The guys break down the business behind meet and greets, VIP packages, and all that exclusive concert merchandise.

According to Max, VIP experiences are often handled by a completely separate company.

Not the venue.

Not the band's booking agent.

And not necessarily the same people handling regular concert merchandise.

But here is the catch.

You still need a concert ticket to participate.

So first, you buy your ticket.

Then you pay extra for the VIP experience.

And once you are in, you have to follow the rules.

Many VIP packages also come with special swag bags.

Tour shirts.

Posters.

Bandanas.

Exclusive merchandise.

Sometimes even coupons to use at the merch booth.

And that creates another interesting problem.

If you already received a free T-shirt with your VIP package, are you really going to buy another one at the show?

That is where VIP packages and regular merchandise sales start affecting each other.

Different companies.

Different revenue streams.

And a whole lot more business behind your concert experience than most fans realize.

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Some songs are so good they just keep winning.

And apparently, Guns N’ Roses had one of those songs.

The guys remember when “Sweet Child O’ Mine” was so popular that it kept winning a radio countdown or competition week after week.

Eventually, someone decided it had won enough times and needed to be retired.

But not everybody was happy about that.

Who retires a song like “Sweet Child O’ Mine”?

The memory goes all the way back to hearing Appetite for Destruction for the first time.

When “Sweet Child O’ Mine” started playing, the reaction was immediate.

The headphones came off.

And the words were simple.

“This is the best song ever, ever, ever.”

So when the song got retired from the competition, it felt completely wrong.

But looking back, having your song retired because it won too many times is actually a pretty incredible honor.

Guns N’ Roses.

Appetite for Destruction.

“Sweet Child O’ Mine.”

Some songs are just too good to compete with.

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Some concert lineups look completely different when you look back years later.

The guys revisit a bill featuring Trapt, Shinedown, Halestorm, and MercyFall.

Back then, Shinedown and Halestorm were still working their way up.

Now Shinedown is playing arenas, and Halestorm has become a major name in rock.

Things have definitely changed.

Then the conversation jumps to May 10, 2006.

Ministry, Revolting Cocks, and Spiderbaby at Cain’s Ballroom.

And according to Jay, it may have been the loudest concert he ever attended.

Ministry was so loud that he ended up standing outside on the sidewalk at Cain’s.

That is some serious volume.

From watching future arena bands work their way up to Ministry practically shaking the walls at Cain’s, these are the shows that made Oklahoma's rock scene unforgettable.

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August 3, 2003.

Trainwreck played VZD’s.

And for anyone who does not know, Trainwreck was basically Kyle Gass’ project outside of Tenacious D.

That alone makes this one a cool little Oklahoma concert story.

The guys talk about how Kyle probably would not have known where VZD’s even was if he had not already been connected through the Tenacious D world.

Max was the promoter rep for the show and went with him.

He says he refreshed Kyle’s memory about the place, and that connection is part of why the show happened there.

VZD’s was not some massive arena.

It was one of those rooms with character.

The kind of room where a show like Trainwreck made sense.

Kyle Gass came through.

Trainwreck played.

And apparently, he liked it enough to come back more than once.

Two or three times, according to the story.

That is the kind of small-room concert history people forget about until somebody brings up the flyer.

Kyle Gass.

Trainwreck.

VZD’s.

A Tenacious D connection.

And another Oklahoma show with a story behind it.

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The Trustkill Takeover Tour came through with a packed bill.

Bullet For My Valentine.

Walls of Jericho.

Roses Are Red.

And Forté added to the show.

Tickets were $10 in advance and $12 day of show.

The room was packed.

But the best story happened when Bullet For My Valentine got hungry.

Max had given them a per diem instead of fulfilling a full rider, so they needed a ride to go eat.

The radio station vehicle was not a van.

It was an old 1970s bread truck.

No air conditioning.

No seats except the driver’s seat.

Everybody else had to stand.

Jay was driving slow because the thing rode rough as hell.

Then one of the guys said, “Can you at least make it interesting, mate?”

So Jay hit the gas and yanked the wheel.

They immediately changed their mind.

“We’re kidding, we’re kidding.”

Bullet For My Valentine.

A packed Trustkill show.

A per diem.

And one wild ride in an old bread truck.

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