Recorded in mid‑2020—while COVID‑19 kept us apart yet Black Lives Matter protests pulled millions into the streets—this conversation captures the raw urgency, grief, and resolve of that moment.

A raw, unfiltered conversation between Neil “Logik” Donaldson and Andrea Page — a white mother of three Black boys who has spent years dismantling her own internalized racism while fighting for her children’s safety, dignity, and joy.

🔑 What we cover

• How Andrea’s first mentor — a Black youth‑counsellor she met while homeless at 13 — cracked open her worldview.

• The daily realities of anti‑Black racism in Canadian schools, parks, and neighbourhoods — from slurs on the playground to micro‑aggressions in the classroom.

• “Love is NOT enough”: why white parents of Black children must do continuous, intentional anti‑racism work.

• White silence vs. true allyship: practical ways non‑Black listeners can show up right now.

• Navigating white fragility, defensiveness, and the myth of being “colour‑blind.”

• Setting firm boundaries so Black children have at least one space that is genuinely safe and validating.

• Resources, reading lists, and action steps you can start today.

📌 Key takeaways

1. Do the work before (and after) the baby arrives. Biracial kids inherit systemic burdens; parents must prepare, educate, and stay humble.

2. Silence equals complicity. “Your silence is co‑signing the violence.” Speak, share, and interrupt racism even when it feels awkward.

3. Listen > defend. If Black voices tell you something harms them, believe it, apologise, and change.

4. Self‑check never stops. Micro‑aggressions can slip out of anyone; catch them, own them, correct them.

5. Start where you are. Google is free; countless anti‑racism primers, book lists, and podcasts exist. Don’t off‑load the labour onto Black friends who are already exhausted.

🛠 Resources mentioned

• White Fragility — Robin DiAngelo

• So You Want to Talk About Race — Ijeoma Oluo

• How to Be an Antiracist — Ibram X. Kendi

• Canadian organisations: Stolen From Africa, Black Youth Legacy Hub, Anti‑Racism Educator Network

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