On September 8, 2009, Yale pharmacology student Annie Marie Thu Le entered her lab and disappeared; five days later her body was found hidden inside a wall in the same building. Forensic evidence led investigators to maintenance worker Raymond Clark III, who ultimately pleaded guilty and received a 44-year sentence.

This episode examines Annie’s life and work, the investigation, the trial and sentencing, and the legacy and safety changes that followed. Listener discretion: the episode discusses violence, sexual assault, and forensic evidence.

Hosts Tayla and Shannan explore the viral 2009 Zozo stories, tracing Darren Evans’ creepy Ouija find, chilling firsthand accounts, and the unsettling symbol etched into the board. They recount reported attacks, strange household disturbances, and the personal costs tied to the phenomenon.

The episode examines possible origins — from ancient demon lore and pop-culture symbols to the psychological ideomotor effect — and asks whether Zozo is a real malevolent spirit, mass suggestion, a hoax, or some combination of these forces.

Episode Summary

Today we're doing something a little different - a bonus episode! We recently fell down the rabbit hole of Stacy DeGrandchamp's story.

Stacy was just 17 when she went to a house party in Fort Wayne, Indiana, in 2002. By the end of the night, she was gone - stabbed during a fight with her former best friend, Holly Boisvert.

Despite everyone suspecting Holly, the case went cold for seventeen years. It wasn't until Holly finally confessed - and handed over the knife - that Stacy's family got the justice they had been waiting for.

This episode is a shorter, more conversational dive into Stacy's world, the messy teenage friendship at the heart of it all, and the long road to accountability.

Content Warning

This episode mentions the violent death of a teenager, including stabbing and grief experienced by her family. While the tone is more casual than our usual episodes, please listen with care and look after yourself.

Links & Sources

• Sherrilyn Dale on YouTube - the video that introduced us to this case.
• People Magazine - "Ind. Teen Was Murdered in 2002, and Woman was Just Arrested: 'I Think I Killed My Best Friend'".
• The Cinemaholic - "Stacy DeGrandchamp Murder: Where is Holly Boisvert Now?".
• Generation Why Podcast Blog - "Woman Arrested for 2002 Stabbing Death in Fort Wayne".
• Distractify - "Where is Holly Boisvert Now?".
• Mean Girl Murders (ID) - Episode: Battle of the Besties.

Thanks for Listening

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