Lily talks with Alex M. from east Texas. Initially using Kratom in 2022 to boost afternoon productivity while juggling church ministry and a web design side hustle as a new father, Alex quickly escalated from one daily dose of powder to taking high-dose mitragynine extract tablets four times a day over three years. He hid the extent of his use from his wife. His turning point came about a month before a planned Disney World trip, when he realized he couldn't enjoy the "happiest place on earth" without the drug in his system, prompting him to confess to his wife and quit cold turkey. Now approaching a year sober, Alex reflects on how Kratom had numbed his emotions, disconnected him from his family, and caused numerous physical side effects he'd mistaken for aging, each of which resolved after quitting.

Alex says reach out if he can be of any help: a.miller13@yahoo.com

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Lauren interviews Tyler about his trip to Mexico to use Ibogaine to quit kratom. After many prior attempts to stop in the years before, this treatment helped to reset his brain enough to get on the right track and finally achieve abstinence for just over six months at the date of interview. NOTE: Ibogaine comes with some risks, and it is important to research these, and to screen the quality and check the references of any provider to ensure safety.

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J.P. works in the mental health field but struggled with an escalating kratom habit that eventually led to him having to make two out of state trips a week to resupply. Drawing from his experience in alcohol recovery for six years, this week's guest (a 40-something divorced dad of two) relied on a range of tools and resources to quit kratom a half a year ago.

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