In this episode I speak with Ana Backstrom about novel ecosystems and why the term has, at times, been controversial. We explore the idea that its use may reveal more about our own subjective values rather than an ecosystem’s inherent qualities. This leads into broader reflections on how terms such as “natural,” “modified,” and “wilderness” continue to place humans outside of nature and ecology. We discuss how humans are very much part of nature, and how shifting this perspective allows us to move away from narratives of separation and towards roles as caretakers and stewards of Country.

Ana Backstrom is a plant ecologist with over twenty years’ experience working in biodiversity conservation and ecological restoration. She is currently completing a PhD that investigates socio-ecological management benchmarks for novel ecosystems. Her research aims to identify the key social and ecological attributes that shape novel ecosystem management decisions, and to explore the mechanisms and processes that either facilitate or impede the development of effective management strategies in highly changed landscapes.

In this episode I speak with Kai Lane, a proud Yorta Yorta and Barapa Barapa man who serves as an ecologist at Ecology & Restoration Australia (ERA) and as a board member for Eco Warriors Australia. In 2025, he was awarded the National prize for Indigenous Led Science at the Ecological Society of Australia conference for his innovative Yedabila habitat pods, which are traditional woven huts used to protect turtle nests and provide aquatic wildlife shelter.

Beyond his technical field work, Kai leads Cultural Heritage sessions for the Habitat Warriors program, where he uses storytelling and traditional practices to teach schoolchildren how to "care for Country" from an Indigenous perspective. He is also an author, recently releasing a book through Habitat Warriors that explores the traditional First Nations' uses of Australian flora for food, medicine and tools.

I speak with Kai about the Yedabila habitat project, the inspiring work of Habitat Warriors, Indigenous football (Marn Grook), Indigenous astronomy, seasonal calendars and cultural plant knowledge.

To learn more about the Yedabila Habitat Pods and Habitat Warriors visit: https://habitatwarriors.com.au/

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In this episode I talk with Dr Mark Hall about native bees and other pollinators, and the critical roles they play in both natural ecosystems and modified landscapes. Native bees are often overlooked, yet they provide irreplaceable pollination services that differ fundamentally from those of introduced honey bees. We discuss Mark’s research on native bees in fragmented habitats, how native pollinators differ from honey bees, and the plants and habitat features they depend on. We also explore what gardeners and bushland regenerators can do to better support native bee diversity.

Dr Mark Hall completed his PhD in 2018 on how the composition of wooded habitat in modified landscapes affects bird and pollinator assemblages, under the supervision of Andrew Bennett (La Trobe University) and Dale Nimmo (Charles Sturt University). Since then, he has investigated pollinator diversity, health, management, and their contribution to crop production. Since 2020, Mark has partnered with the Upper Campaspe Landcare Network to identify habitat and floral preferences of pollinators—including bees, flies, wasps, butterflies and beetles—and to guide effective restoration across the Upper Campaspe region in central Victoria. He is currently the Senior Biodiversity Officer with the City of Greater Bendigo.

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