Most people think nonprofit work runs on urgency: more need, more pressure, more fundraising, more hours.

Heidi Johnson has spent 15+ years interviewing nonprofit founders and building organizations in the sector herself, and she argues something different: Joy is not a byproduct. It’s a power source.

In this episode of You Are What You Give, Heidi shares why service becomes “addictive” in the healthiest way, how giving reshapes the giver, strengthens organizational culture, and helps leaders stay in the game for the long haul.

We talk about:

• Why nonprofit founders are entrepreneurs - often without the playbook
• The hidden weight of mission-driven work (it’s not a “pencil factory”)
• How to build teams when you’re “paid” in meaning, not money
• Why time may be the most valuable gift, especially in the early days
• The practical difference between “doing good” and building something that lasts

Heidi is the creator of Charity Matters, author of Change for Good, and a lifelong student of what makes giving sustainable - for organizations and for the people carrying them.

Connect with Heidi: charity-matters.com

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