Introduction

Today on the podcast, we continue our exploration ofidentity, conflict, and understanding — this time turning to the Israeli experience, and the complex interplay between faith, belonging, and the search for peace.

I’m joined by Yossi Klein HaLevi, a senior fellow at the Shalom Hartman Institute in Jerusalem, and one of Israel’s most respected writers and thinkers on religion, society, and coexistence. Over the past several decades, Yossi’s work has sought to illuminate how Israelis and Palestinians see one another — and how, despite history and hardship, empathyand dialogue can still be possible.

He is the author of several acclaimed books, including LikeDreamers: The Story of the Israeli Paratroopers Who Reunited Jerusalem and Divided a Nation — which won the Jewish Book Council’s Everett Family Foundation Award for Jewish Book of the Year — and Letters to My PalestinianNeighbor, a deeply personal and courageous attempt to reach across the divide, inviting Palestinians into a conversation about narrative, identity and hope.

Through his writing, lectures, and engagement at the Hartman Institute, Yossi has become a leading voice in promoting religious and moral understanding, both within Israel’s deeply divided society and between Israelis and the wider region. His work consistently reminds us that peace isnot merely a political process, but a human and spiritual pursuit — one that requires listening, empathy, and the willingness to encounter the other in full.

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In today’s episode, we discuss the responses his work has received, both from Palestinians and within Israeli society, and explore the emotional and moral boundaries of empathy — asking whether there are places where understanding must meet principle, and where compromise cannot go.

The conversation also turns to the power of narratives — howstories can both prolong conflict and open space for reconciliation — and the role of writers and public intellectuals in helping societies wrestle with history, memory, and the hope for a different future.

It’s a thoughtful and deeply human conversation aboutlistening across difference, confronting painful truths, and imagining the possibility of coexistence.

Closure

A special thank you to Yossi Klein HaLevi for joiningme and for sharing his insight, honesty, and openness in exploring such a complex and deeply human subject.

And to our listeners — thank you, as always, for tuning inand supporting these conversations. Your engagement helps us continue to bring together diverse voices and perspectives from across Israel and Palestine.

Her work, including her recent efforts in Gaza and her roleas a co-founder of Gaza Medic Voices, provides a profound understanding of the realities faced by healthcare professionals in such environments.

Until then, thank you for listening to Israel & Palestine Unpacked.

Yossi Klein HaLevi's Titles on Amazon:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Letters-Palestinian-Neighbor-Yossi-Halevi/dp/006284492X/ref=sr_1_1?crid=8H8TFBP2YCV2&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.Cvg2ctO_RafAvI5r4HCANmHPyKIm8ROZe79S8B9lHGbNFPTUwSXLDO2A1cPq7yte_x6aNAafXD6goydRD9gWKzdjSa4eIBcr7ChQTzbGHa6EnBO2MBcjUCqEKrBK1Cko5MzH4klCVKsvmgYNVVBaCshv8zUipyUXmA_2naKTaiZEPRQQkzToqnB3vvXY0PIwvbI-2HtZ3usXHRLhjQxw-sehn5Ksi5BHIkod0kAITqM.7EN_jaFx_fCrSc-W1BmsdwejWyUQ5Wf2MEDcmVlZPdY&dib_tag=se&keywords=yossi+klein+halevi&qid=1759845087&sprefix=Yossi+Klein%2Caps%2C106&sr=8-1

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Like-Dreamers-Paratroopers-Reunited-Jerusalem/dp/0060545771/ref=sr_1_2?crid=8H8TFBP2YCV2&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.Cvg2ctO_RafAvI5r4HCANmHPyKIm8ROZe79S8B9lHGbNFPTUwSXLDO2A1cPq7yte_x6aNAafXD6goydRD9gWKzdjSa4eIBcr7ChQTzbGHa6EnBO2MBcjUCqEKrBK1Cko5MzH4klCVKsvmgYNVVBaCshv8zUipyUXmA_2naKTaiZEPRQQkzToqnB3vvXY0PIwvbI-2HtZ3usXHRLhjQxw-sehn5Ksi5BHIkod0kAITqM.7EN_jaFx_fCrSc-W1BmsdwejWyUQ5Wf2MEDcmVlZPdY&dib_tag=se&keywords=yossi+klein+halevi&qid=1759845087&sprefix=Yossi+Klein%2Caps%2C106&sr=8-2

Interviewee Intro

In this episode we speak with Omri, a 35-year-old Israeli whorecently returned to live in Israel after several years in Europe. It’s worth noting that this conversation was recorded while he was still living in the Netherlands. He frequently takes part in protests against his own government, yet he also believes that Israel’s military actions – in Gaza, Lebanon, and beyond – are justified. It’s a tension that many Israelis grapple with:opposing their government’s policies while still supporting what they see as the country’s right to defend itself.

Interview Buildup

In this episode, we explore that tension. We talk about whatit was like growing up in Ramat Gan in the 1990s — a childhood shaped by the aftermath of the Oslo Accords, the hope they inspired, and the disillusionment that followed. We reflect on what outsiders often misunderstand about Israelis, and how fear, trauma, and politics have shaped a country still wrestling with its identity, its security, and its future.

We also talk about what it means to be Jewish in Europe today — and how living abroad has given Omri new perspectives on his own country, as well as the broader global conversation surrounding the conflict.

This is a personal, thoughtful, and sometimes difficultconversation — one that doesn’t seek to provide easy answers, but instead offers insight into the lived reality of an Israeli who, like many others, is caught between protest and patriotism, grief and resolve, hope and heartbreak.

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Coming Up Today & Biography
In today’s episode, we are joined by Dr John McMullen, an educational and child psychologist based in Northern Ireland. Dr McMullen has worked extensively with war-affected children in Uganda and the Democratic Republic of Congo and currently supports refugee pupils in Northern Irish schools. He also lectures on trauma, conflict, and the refugee experience.

Episode Buildup

Our conversation begins with how prolonged exposure to violence shapes a child’s emotional and cognitive development and how trauma manifests differently across age groups. Drawing on his experiences in East Africa andBelfast, Dr McMullen offers a grounded psychological lens on how early trauma becomes embedded in the developing brain—shaping how children view themselves, others and the world.

While his research is rooted in specific regions, such as Uganda and the DRC, his insights reveal something universal: trauma transcends borders. Whether it’s a child in Gulu, Gaza, or East Belfast, the psychological effects of violence are strikingly similar. This generalisability opens up space to explore shared risks and opportunities—especially in long-standing conflict zones like Israel-Palestine, where children live in segregated societies often shaped by inherited fear and mistrust.

We also discuss resilience—what it looks like in children exposed to war, and whether it can be cultivated through education. From integrated schools in Northern Ireland to classroom interventions in Uganda, Dr McMullen shares lessons with relevance far beyond any one context.

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