Rob and Lou dive into one of the most misunderstood ideas in American life: “separation of church and state.” They crack open the myth, the history, and the modern confusion around a phrase that never actually appears in the Constitution—yet shapes how millions think about faith in public life.

From schoolhouse debates to the Founders’ own writings, they explore why the Establishment Clause protects freedom of religion, not freedom from ever encountering religion. The Framers built a system that blocks government‑imposed faith while still recognizing that religion has always been woven into America’s civic and cultural story.

If you’ve ever wondered where the line really is—and why so many people draw it in the wrong place—this episode brings the clarity, context, and sharp conversation you’ve come to expect.

Links & References

Schoolhouse Rock: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLqw3mNOU8YcUdhqY9YSckDsxbWwW5n2cJ&si=ib4d_iujLiozifAB

Declaration of Independence: https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs/declaration-transcript

U.S. Constitution: https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs/constitution-transcript

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