At this mid-point in the season, we’re taking a short pause, and asking ourselves the question - What does it mean to be human?

In this episode Naomi and Matt discuss the importance of understanding the human condition, the temporary nature of the term 'human,' and the ongoing quest for connection in an increasingly isolated world. They look back at some highlights of our conversations so far, and forward to more to come.

The podcast will be back in January 2026.

You can find us on Linkedin at

Matt Hall: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matt-hall-msb/

Naomi Ward: https://www.linkedin.com/in/naomi-ward-098a1535/

Interbeing is made by Making Stuff Better https://makingstuffbetter.com/ and produced by Emily Crosby Media https://emilycrosbymedia.com/

In this episode of Interbeing we dive into a profound conversation with Hayley Wilson, Deputy Head of the Senior School at Kellett School in Hong Kong. We explore the role of coaching in fostering a sense of community and humanity within schools, emphasizing values of care, curiosity, and meaningful relationships. Hayley shares her personal and professional journey toward adopting a purpose-driven and coaching-focused ethos, highlighting the significant cultural shifts at Kellett School toward connection, respect, and intentionality in both student and staff development.

02:04 Introducing Hayley Wilson and Kellett School

03:17 What Does It Mean to Be Human?

04:21 The Frenzied Nature of School Life

05:52 Finding Alternatives to Frenzy

08:34 The Importance of Connection and Culture

12:09 Discovering Coaching and Its Impact

18:54 The Power of Purpose in Education

21:50 Creating Conditions for Future Success

22:22 Purpose-Driven Leadership

23:52 Building a Culture of Respect

26:10 Challenges and Intentionality in Leadership

30:05 Cross-Cultural Leadership Dynamics

32:41 Reflections on Team Building

35:01 Final Thoughts and Takeaways

Hayley is the Deputy Head Pastoral, Wellbeing and Community and DSL of Senior of Kellett , The British International School in Hong Kong. Hayley has 18 years of experience as a teacher and leader, 13 years of which have been in an international setting - having worked previously in the USA and Egypt. Hayley holds an MA in Leadership of Mental Health and Wellbeing in Schools and has written a bespoke course in how to be a Senior Mental Health Lead in an International Setting.

Hayley is a purpose driven educator, committed to supporting every child as part of a team who are committed to living their values.

You can find us on Linkedin at

Matt Hall: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matt-hall-msb/

Naomi Ward: https://www.linkedin.com/in/naomi-ward-098a1535/

Interbeing is made by Making Stuff Better https://makingstuffbetter.com/ and produced by Emily Crosby Media https://emilycrosbymedia.com/

In this episode Matt and Naomi discuss the profound impact of coaching on school culture with their guest, Chris Broman from ICS Madrid. They explore themes of interconnectedness, the transformative power of coaching, and the importance of maintaining humanity in education. Chris shares his experiences and insights from introducing coaching into his school, highlighting the challenges and successes of this journey. The conversation delves into the organic growth of coaching practices, the importance of faith in the process, and the resulting positive changes in staff and student interactions. Tune in to hear a rich dialogue about the role of coaching in supporting a generative and reflective educational environment.

02:01 Introducing Chris Broman from ICS Madrid

02:38 Chris Broman's Perspective on Coaching in Schools

06:29 The Journey of Implementing Coaching at ICS Madrid

08:24 Challenges and Successes in Coaching Implementation

10:43 The Impact of Coaching on School Culture

11:26 The Role of Faith and Flexibility in Cultural Change

18:03 Practical Applications and Observations

22:14 Unlearning and Personal Growth in Coaching

27:58 The Ripple Effect: Coaching's Impact on Students

30:23 Looking Ahead: The Future of Coaching at ICS Madrid

31:36 Final Thoughts and Appreciation

32:41 Conclusion: Reflecting on the Conversation

Originally from Wales, Chris brings a wealth of educational experience and international perspective to his role as Principal International College Spain, which is now a European partner school for MSB, hosting coach education programmes for other schools in the region. Chris holds degrees in Mathematics and Sports Science as well as a Masters in Educational Leadership. He has taught across a range of international schools in Bahrain, Korea and Dubai. Before joining ICS, he was Principal of Uptown International School (a three-programme IB school) in Dubai. Chris is highly committed to helping young people find their passions in life through a strong co-curricular programme and inspiring classroom experiences. In addition, he is a facilitator and assessor for the National Professional Qualification for Headteachers, Senior Leaders and Middle Leaders, working with the Institute of Education in the UK.

You can find us on Linkedin at

Matt Hall: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matt-hall-msb/

Naomi Ward: https://www.linkedin.com/in/naomi-ward-098a1535/

Interbeing is made by Making Stuff Better https://makingstuffbetter.com/ and produced by Emily Crosby Media https://emilycrosbymedia.com/