Peter Gostev is head of AI capabilities at Arena (LMArena), the community-based platform where millions of real people vote in blind tests to rank AI models, born out of research at UC Berkeley. Before Arena, Peter was Head of AI at Moonpig and built a large following sharing hands-on explorations of what the latest models can actually do. He joins Georgie Healy from London for a genuinely nerdy, insider look at how models are judged and where the frontier is heading.

In this episode, Peter explains the difference between static benchmarks and human judgment, and why a model can pass every test you write and still produce something that looks completely awful. He breaks down the current state of the leaderboards, why Anthropic's models are dominating and how that tracks with real world adoption, and gives a sharp comparison of the top Western models, including why Anthropic's non-reasoning models are exceptional while OpenAI's strength lies in deep reasoning. Georgie and Peter get into why people aren't using Chinese models more despite their quality, the economics behind AI pricing and how enterprise usage is priced very differently from consumer subscriptions, why release cadence matters as much as capability, and what the wave of data centre investment means for the models arriving next. Along the way there's a fond detour on Opus 3 as the model you could talk to for hours, and why better models can sometimes feel worse.

Tune in for a clear-eyed, hype-free guide to how AI models are really evaluated, straight from someone who watches the charts move in real time.

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Damian Naughton is the General Manager of ANZ at ElevenLabs, the voice AI company now past US$500 million in ARR, just four years after its 2022 founding. Formerly a regional VP at Slack and an early team member at Sydney's Hyper Anna (acquired by Alteryx), Damian is leading ElevenLabs' new Sydney office and tripling the local team as enterprise demand for voice AI accelerates.

In this episode, Damian and Georgie Healy cover why ElevenLabs is planting a flag in ANZ now and the local customers already on board, including Xero, Employment Hero, Heidi Health, Australia Post, and Andromeda Robotics' aged care companion robot Abby. Damian unpacks the company's high performance culture and the "11x yourself" philosophy, why intrinsic motivation beats top down pressure, and how he co-designs stretch goals with new hires. They get into voice cloning and the ethics behind it, how little audio you actually need to clone a voice, and how ElevenLabs handles consent, safety, and scammers, including a clever "reverse" use case that keeps fraudsters on the line to gather intel for banks. Damian also shares his view that enterprise AI needs to be led by the business rather than tech, why the BPO and consulting worlds are facing real disruption, and his take that tall poppy syndrome is a scourge holding Australian tech back.

Tune in for a candid conversation on voice AI, building a high performing team, and how enterprises should prepare for a near future where your own AI assistant takes action on your behalf.

Time Stamps

00:00 – Intro: Your AI Assistant Will Soon Take Action For You

02:17 – AI Hack of the Week: A Michael Caine Voice Butler On The Fridge

04:57 – ElevenLabs Launches in Australia and New Zealand

07:14 – Why Voice AI Is Ready Now (Xero, Employment Hero, Heidi, Andromeda)

10:52 – From Journalist to Voice AI: How AI Is Changing the News

13:40 – Inside Hyper Anna, the Aussie Startup Acquired by Alteryx

15:31 – ElevenLabs' High Performance Culture and the "11x Yourself" Rule

25:38 – The ElevenLabs Founding Story: Two Polish Founders and Bad Dubbing

28:42 – How Will Australia React to Voice AI?

31:24 – Voice Cloning Ethics, Consent, and Celebrity Voices

34:12 – How Little Audio You Need to Clone a Voice

37:17 – Voice AI and Scammers: How ElevenLabs Fights Fraud

42:05 – Can AI Bring Back Music From Artists Who Have Passed?

45:11 – Can Enterprise Companies Actually Adapt to AI?

53:05 – Advice for Heads of AI: Let Business Lead, Not Tech

56:39 – Rapid Fire: Tall Poppy Syndrome, Hiring, and Spicy Takes

1:02:05 – Where to Follow Damian and ElevenLabs

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Akshay Kothari is the COO and co-founder of Notion, the workspace platform now used by over a hundred million people. Before Notion, he co-founded Pulse, the newsreader app built as a Stanford class project that Steve Jobs name-checked on stage at WWDC 2010 before LinkedIn acquired it. He joined Notion in 2018 when the team was fewer than ten people, and in this conversation with Georgie Healy he traces that journey and where knowledge work is heading as agents take centre stage.

Akshay shares his AI hack of the week, turning a screenshot of restaurant recommendations into a shareable Notion database, and explains how the unit of work has shifted from taking notes to simply having a chat. He unpacks the design obsession behind Notion's identity, the block architecture that lets anyone build their own tools, and the new Developer Platform that brings outside agents like Claude and Codex onto Notion's context graph. He paints a picture of a "factory of agents" working round the clock while humans move to reviewing and applying taste, makes the case for model optionality and cost control, and shares his rule for custom agents: macro delegate, then micro steer.

Founders scale faster on Deel. Set up payroll for any country in minutes, hire anyone anywhere, and get visas handled fast, so you stay focused on scaling. Deel takes care of onboarding, HR, IT, EOR, benefits, and compliance, so your team can grow without borders.

It’s why more than 40,000 fast-growing companies trust Deel to move fast.

Visit https://www.deel.com/dayone

Weekly Substack: https://georgiehealy.substack.com/

Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/georginahealy/

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/georginahealytech/

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