Welcome to the first episode of Deeper, a new leadership series within the Rhythms & Roots podcast.

While Rhythms & Roots has always explored spiritual formation, health, purpose, and the rhythms that shape our lives, Deeper is designed to explore the calling, challenges, and formation of those who lead. Through honest conversations with pastors, ministry leaders, church planters, and faithful servants, we'll uncover the lessons that are often learned far from the spotlight.

For our inaugural episode, Donnie sits down with longtime pastor and leader Dave Debus.

From rural ministry on the eastern plains to decades of faithful service, Dave shares stories of calling, perseverance, leadership, and what it means to stay faithful when ministry isn't glamorous and growth isn't measured by numbers alone.

Together they explore:

• The difference between success and faithfulness
• Lessons learned through decades of ministry
• Leading in small communities
• Endurance in leadership
• The importance of relationships and presence
• What keeps a pastor going through difficult seasons
• Why the Kingdom of God is often built through ordinary acts of faithfulness

Whether you're a pastor, ministry leader, volunteer, or simply someone seeking to live a faithful life, this conversation offers wisdom forged through years of walking with God and serving others.

Because leadership isn't a sprint.

It's a long ride.

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