What happens when the way you’ve always led… no longer works?

This week on Mpactful Messages: The Let’s Talk About It Podcast, Mayce DelValle and Missy Washam sit down with Nicole Ghosten for a timely conversation about leadership, adaptability, and what it takes to navigate change without getting stuck in outdated thinking.

Centered around this week’s quote, “The greatest danger in times of turbulence is not the turbulence—it is to act with yesterday’s logic.” — Peter Drucker, they talk about it and unpack why so many leaders struggle when pressure rises and circumstances shift.

Nicole brings powerful insight from her work in change management... helping leaders understand why people naturally fall back on what feels familiar, even when it’s no longer effective. Together, they explore the tension between reacting and adapting, the role ego can play during uncertainty, and how strong leaders create clarity when everything around them feels unclear.

This conversation challenges leaders to take a real look inward... because sometimes the biggest obstacle during change isn’t the situation itself... it’s the mindset we bring into it.

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