I Sat With Death Row Killers… This Is What I Learned
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In this episode of None Of Your Business, Michael sits down with Dr. ShaRone David Kushnir, a clinical psychologist with a unique background as a former concert pianist and artist, for a deep and thought-provoking conversation on human behavior, mental health, and transformation.
Dr. Kushnir shares his journey from the world of music and film scoring into psychology, including his work inside the prison system with violent offenders and inmates on death row. He opens up about sitting face to face with murderers, navigating high-risk environments, and what those experiences taught him about trauma, power, and the human need for control.
The conversation explores emotional regulation, anger, narcissism, empathy, and why listening is one of the most powerful tools in both relationships and personal growth. Dr. Kushnir explains how even the most broken individuals can find meaning, why no one is beyond redemption, and how mindset shifts can change the trajectory of a person’s life.
They also dive into spirituality, identity, and the intersection between art and psychology, offering a rare perspective on how creativity and deep thinking shape the way we understand ourselves and others.
00:00 Intro
01:45 From artist to psychologist
05:00 Art, psychology, and identity
07:00 Family background and upbringing
10:00 Religion, spirituality, and early influences
12:30 Leaving the music world
14:00 Ayahuasca and life transformation
15:15 Entering psychology and prison work
16:30 First experience on death row
18:45 Inside the mind of a murderer
22:00 Working with violent offenders
24:00 Redemption and human nature
28:00 Understanding power and control
30:00 Mental illness vs responsibility
33:00 Empathy, narcissism, and human behavior
36:00 Life inside the prison system
38:00 Conflict with prison staff
40:00 Handling danger and fear
41:00 De-escalating anger and aggression
43:00 Lessons on communication and listening