He had everything going for him, until his body shut him down on live TV.

In this episode, Dan Harris sits down with Chip Conley for a warm, honest conversation about ambition, anxiety, and what really changes in midlife. Dan opens up about the panic attack that forced him to slow down, his years inside high-pressure newsrooms at ABC, and the quiet realization that productivity, without presence, was costing him more than it gave. What follows is not a polished mindfulness pitch, but a deeply human reflection on letting go, growing wiser, and redefining success in the second half of life.

In this conversation, you’ll hear Dan reflect on:

• Why anxiety and ambition are often two sides of the same coin
• How meditation helped him step out of the productivity trap—not optimize it
• What he had to release after becoming outwardly “successful”
• Why midlife is better understood as a chrysalis, not a crisis
• How relationships, presence, and character shape a more meaningful future

If you’re navigating midlife, questioning old definitions of success, or simply craving a more spacious way to live, this conversation will feel like sitting down with two thoughtful friends who’ve been there. Watch now and join the conversation.

Timestamps:

02:17 Defining midlife and Dan Harris’s journey

03:50 Panic attack on live TV

05:31 From panic attack to meditation

06:46 Family background and anxiety

08:31 Decade between crisis and mindfulness advocacy

09:33 Therapy spirituality and discovering meditation

13:37 Writing 10% Happier

14:22 Origin of the 10% happier idea

16:43 Science and benefits of meditation

19:47 Skepticism identity and cognitive dissonance

22:14 Life after the book’s success

26:06 Productivity versus presence

29:47 Burnout hyper productivity and 360 review

33:06 Letting go of roles and redefining life

35:59 Midlife as chrysalis not crisis

39:36 Favorite meditation practices

42:09 Wisdom midlife and modern elderhood

45:08 Character skills in the age of AI

47:07 Personal wisdom and life lessons

49:10 Closing reflections and goodbye

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