Most people watched the Butler assassination attempt and focused on the shooting.

Former ATF Task Force Leader Eric Immesberger and former U.S. Secret Service Counter Assault Team (CAT) Leader John Constantine focus on everything that happened before the first shot.

Why do elite protection teams rehearse relentlessly?

What separates great leaders from average ones?

How do communication failures create catastrophic outcomes?

And what lessons can every leader learn from one of the most scrutinized security failures in modern history?

In this episode of The Debrief, Eric and John discuss:

• What it takes to lead elite federal teams
• Building loyalty instead of fear
• The culture inside high-performing units
• Leadership mistakes that destroy organizations
• The Butler assassination attempt from an operational perspective
• Why communication—not courage—often determines success
• Lessons from decades protecting presidents and pursuing violent criminals

Whether you’re in law enforcement, the military, business, or simply interested in how elite organizations operate under pressure, this conversation offers a rare inside look at leadership when failure isn’t an option.

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