Rev. Carol Saunders is an ordained Unity and interfaith minister and organizer of the Whole Planet Spirituality Forum and Retreat at Unity Village. She is the host of the podcast The Spiritual Forum; author of Wolf and the Lamb, an online ministry to awaken the world to our Oneness with all beings and author of the booklet, The Forgotten Teachings of Charles Fillmore: How Our Relationship with Animals Connects to Universal Love, Ethical Living, Spiritual Development and World Peace. Rev. Carol believes social movements are only truly effective when they are movements of love and peace.

Rev. Carol and Hope discuss the upcoming Whole Planet Spiritualty Forum and Retreat at Unity Village, The Unity Church and how the founders were ethical vegans in the early 1900s, and importance of bring love into our advocacy.

About the retreat:

This is Carol’s sixth year leading this retreat at Unity Village. At the Whole Planet Spiritualty Forum and Retreat, Rev. Carol will lead the Thursday night “getting to know one other” gathering and officially open the retreat on Friday morning where she will discuss Whole Planet Spirituality and our 2026 retreat theme, “Above All, Love All.” Attendees will delve into David Hawkin’s map of consciousness and engage in dialogue on love, healing, activism, planetary consciousness and the purpose that calls us to be.

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Whole Planet Spirituality Forum and Retreat

The Spiritual Forum Podcast

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Meet Peanut: Artificial Intelligence for Vegan Encouragement

Our guest today is Jeannie Walter, she is a retired librarian, longtime animal advocate, and has created Peanut the pig, an AI coach at the center of GetYourOinkOn.com, a vegan coaching app. Peanut uses warmth, humor, and a distinct personality to help people take meaningful steps toward eating more plants. The approach is intentionally invitational: small wins, genuine encouragement, and zero guilt.

In the interview, Jeannie talks about how she got the idea to create Peanut and the importance of embracing new technologies to assist in our animal advocacy outreach. She and Hope also discuss the concerns and challenges of Artificial Intelligence, the possibilities of AI sentience, and how this could potentially support animal advocacy.

Peanut is also part of something larger. GetYourOinkOn.com exists in part to raise money to feed real animals at sanctuaries — connecting every user's journey to the animals whose lives depend on it. Peanut is one of several AI animal coaches in the Messy Barnyard ecosystem, a suite of apps built around the idea that animals are among the most powerful ambassadors for their own cause.

Resources:

Website to meet Peanut: http://getyouroinkon.com/

Website: Messy Barnyard

The Creator (film)

Humans (TV series)

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Why should be care about bees? Why should we avoid honey and beeswax? Vegans want to eliminate as much harm, exploitation, and killing as possible. When animals are farmed for profit, there is always compromise of their wellbeing, and bees farmed for their honey and beeswax are no exception. Ethical veganism is about getting justice over the species barrier, and in this case it’s concern for the amazing, beautiful bee.

In this short episode, our host Hope Bohanec offers her knowledge about honey bees. We learn about their fascinating and complex lives, details of honey farming practices, and the truth about how our interference and manipulation of bees is hurting them and the entire planet.

Vegans are careful to read ingredients, to make sure no animal products are in our meals, we scrutinize products for animal testing, but what about a 401k? What about an investment portfolio? What kind of animal use and abuse do investments support? More than you would ever consider putting your money into if you had a choice. Our guest today is working on a solution. Claire Smith and her team have a first of its kind vegan investment option tailored to exclude any and all animal exploitation.

Claire Smith is the founder of humane investment platform Beyond Investing. She is a vegan and environmentalist with 38 years’ experience in finance and investment at top-tier banks and investment houses. Beyond Investing creates investment programs designed for animal advocates and climate-conscious investors in both public listed equity markets and venture capital. Based in Switzerland, Claire is the founder of Beyond Cruelty Foundation, formed to campaign for zero animal exploitation and to fund safe havens for animals. This foundation will also receive a portion of profits of companies under the Beyond Investing umbrella.

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Websites:

www.beyondinvesting.com

www.veganetf.com

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Twitter: https://twitter.com/BeyondInvest

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/beyond-investing/

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/beyondinvesting

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Tapping into fandom with animal protection and vegan messages, The Protego Foundation accesses sci-fi, fantasy, and other other devoted fan communities to advocate for animals. Our guest is Brittany Drake, campaigns director for The Protego Foundation. Brittany talks about the foundation’s creative campaigns such as getting vegan butter beer offered at the Harry Potter theme parks, a Game of Thrones inspired campaign encouraging vendors at fan conventions not to use wild animals as props for photos, and their latest campaign around the release of the movie sequel, Wicked For Good.

Brittany and Hope go on to talk about the animal rights and vegan themes in numerous movies and televisions entertainment, unpacking the animal personhood vision of Wicked, the strong animal characters in The Wizard of Oz, disturbing animal eating parallels in Stargate Atlantis, and vegetarianism in Avatar: The Last Airbender. They also talk about how the use of fictional creatures and characters can garner an audience's imagination and empathy for animals.

Brittany Drake is the campaigns director for The Protego Foundation. She has helped with countless campaigns and seen several achieve success including Starbucks’ dropping of the vegan upcharge for nondairy milks, Harvard and UMass closing their monkey labs, and Farmer John closing their Los Angeles slaughterhouse. In addition to her campaign work, she has rescued farmed animals and been arrested for civil disobedience on multiple occasions.

Resources:

The Protego Foundation

The Protego Foundation Mailing List

(related) Hope for the Animals Podcast, episode 127: From Teddy Bears to Talking Fish: Children’s Media and Animal Personhood with Cogen and Hope Bohanec

Recommended Movies:

Wicked and Wicked For Good

Remarkably Bright Creatures

Chimp Crazy

Okja

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Happy Pride Month! We’re celebrating Pride with Kathleen Gage, the founder of Vegan Visibility. Kathleen shares her experiences as a vegan lesbian and emphasizes the significance of understanding the history of the LGBT+ community and its relevance to current political and social dynamics. Kathleen discusses her business, Vegan Visibility, and her work with Blue Barn Animal Sanctuary in Creswell, Oregon. She also shares her personal way she celebrates Pride.

Kathleen Gage is the founder of Vegan Visibility and a longtime business consultant, keynote speaker, marketing strategist, and podcast host. With certifications in Neuro-Linguistic Programming and Plant-Based Nutrition from Cornell University, Kathleen has spent decades helping entrepreneurs and changemakers grow their visibility and impact. She hosts 2 podcasts “Vegan Visibility” and “Plant Based Eating for Health,” and is the creator of the Vegan Visibility Virtual Summit, supporting vegan and plant-based entrepreneurs worldwide. She resides with her wife in Pleasant Hill, Oregon.

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Vegan Visibility

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https://www.facebook.com/VeganVisibilityNetwork

https://www.linkedin.com/in/kathleengage/

Other Pride Hope for the Animals Episodes:

The Vegan Drag Queen, Honey LaBronx

Trans Vegan Voices

Cage-free eggs are everywhere. They are now available at most every grocery store, a muffin lists cage-free eggs in the ingredients, and a restaurant touts cage-free omelettes on their menu. Is this a win for hens? We crack into this question with Amber Canavan examining PETA’s new document called, “White Paper On the Failure of Cage-Free Housing Systems To Reduce Over All Hen Suffering”.

On this episode, Amber shares why PETA released this white paper, how cage-free facilities can actually create new and worse conditions for hens, and how humanewashing eases consumers concerns about the treatment of farmed animals. Amber and Hope both share first hand experience of witnessing cage-free facilities and the reality of cage-free egg farming.

Amber Canavan is Associate Director of Vegan Campaigns at People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA). Her victories include persuading Costco, Target, and Albertsons to stop selling coconut milk sourced from brands that used forced monkey labor in Thailand; getting Kikkoman soy source to end decades-long experiments on animals; compelling Starbucks, Dutch Bros, and other coffee chains to drop a vegan milk upcharge; and orchestrating the rescue of over 400 hens from a cage free egg facility that was shutting down. She has worked on various animal rights legislation, including the foie gras sales ban that passed in New York City.

Resources:

PETA’s Cage-Free White Paper

The Cage-Free Conundrum, Hope for the Animals Podcast Episode 100

The Humane Deception with Lia Wilbourn, Hope for the Animals Podcast Episode 124

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Vegans are visionaries. We hold a vision of a nonviolent future where all animals are free from human imposed commodification, suffering, and killing. What if this vision was on the ballot and we could vote on it? That could be happing soon with the Oregon Initiative Petition 28 — officially titled the PEACE Act, People for Elimination of Animal Cruelty Exemptions. This ballot initiative would eliminate the legal exemptions that currently protect hunting, fishing, trapping, and farming from Oregon's animal abuse statutes. David Michelson is the visionary heading up this historic effort and on this episode he shares insights into the campaign including why he decided to start it, why in Oregon, and what its passing would mean for animals. He also clears up some misconceptions about the campaign and talks about our vision as a movement and how we need to hold onto the hope for total animal liberation.

David Michelson is the lead organizer behind a ballot initiative campaign in Oregon that seeks to ban the killing and breeding of all animals statewide—including those on farms, in research labs, and in the wild. David started this campaign in 2020, and is currently working on qualifying it for the 2026 upcoming election.

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Campaign website: YES on IP28

BOOK: Spirit Matters by Michael Lerner

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