Jamais Cascio, futurist, scenario expert, and author of Navigating the Age of Chaos, joins Danny Buerkli for a deep dive into scenario planning. They discuss how the discipline has evolved since the days of Herman Kahn at RAND and Pierre Wack at Shell, whether the military or the private sector do it better, why geoengineering might lead to predictable trouble (and why we might do it anyway), and whether today’s AI is more or less weird than Jamais once imagined. Jamais also reflects on his time working with Ken Waltz and shares the story behind his BANI framework, which captures how many now perceive the world: brittle, anxious, nonlinear, and incomprehensible.

Antoine Bosselut, Assistant Professor at the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (EPFL) in Lausanne, joins Danny Buerkli to explain how he and his team built Apertus, the 'open' LLM. Antoine and Danny discuss why taxpayers should fund this work, which constraints bite hardest when creating an LLM outside one of the large labs, and which public investments may be needed now.

Vishal Jodhani, a master facilitator, joins Danny Buerkli to talk about what makes facilitation work. They discuss what makes for a good question, how to know the difference between productive chaos and unproductive confusion, and what is underappreciated about the Berlin club scene.

Don Kettl — prolific scholar of public administration — joins Danny Buerkli talk about state capacity and government reform. They discuss what DOGE got right (and what it didn't), whether gradual government is possible at all, why Operation Warp Speed was so unreasonably effective, and what lessons we should learn from Paul Volcker.

We live in weird times. The world has become harder to read — more uncertain, more volatile, stranger. High Variance is an interview podcast about how to navigate this reality. We talk to people who are making sense of what’s happening around us to ask: What’s going on? And how should we respond?