Have you ever told the truth but it felt like no one listened? This special bonus episode is all about truth-telling.

Hey History! follows Travis Lovett, a proud Gunditjmara/Kerrupmara man and Commissioner at the Yoorrook Justice Commission, on a 400km 'Walk for Truth' across Victoria.

• Who is Travis Lovett, and why is he going on a really, really long walk?
• What is the Yoorrook Justice Commission?
• What is 'truth-telling', and how can it happen with history?

Host Axel Clark and students from St Patrick’s Primary School join Travis on his Walk for Truth through Port Fairy.

Hear:

• Why telling the truth is important—at school, at home, and in Australian history.
• That 'history' isn’t fixed — it changes when new voices and stories are heard.
• Personal testimony from the Yoorrook Commission, including Aunty Nellie Flagg and the Premier of Victoria.
• What is a 'commission'?
• How the Yoorrook Justice Commission has gathered stories and evidence over 4 years.

If you listen to the episode before or on Wednesday 18 June 2025, Travis Lovett is still walking! See where he on the Yoorrook Justice Commission website's Walk for Truth.

Credits

• Hosted by Axel Clark.
• Made on Gadigal Country by Jane Curtis.
• Executive producers are Clare Wright and Anna Clark.
• Production assistance from Alexandra Morris.
• Thanks to all the students whose voices you hear in this episode and their schools and teachers: St Patrick's Primary School, Princes Street Primary school, Marrickville West Primary School, La Perouse Primary School, and Yirrkala Bilingual School.

Hey History! is produced by the Australian Centre for Public History at UTS and UTS Impact Studios.

Impact Studios' executive producer is Sarah Gilbert.

Thank you

This episode was made possible by Dusseldorp Forum, a family foundation committed to a just and equitable Australia, one that is caring, ethical and honours our First Peoples.

Special thanks to Principal Olga Lyons and St Patrick's Primary School Port Fairy, Rosa Ellen, Rachel Fyfe and the Yoorrook team.

In this special live recording of Hey History! host Axel Clark asks historians Clare Wright, Anna Clark and Kiera Lindsey what historical objects can tell us about the past?

What can a piece of ochre tell us about Australia’s Deep Time History?

And what about a pair of South Australian pink shorts?

We ask kids what objects are special to them, and play guessing games with objects - including one that's in the Guinness Book of World Records!

This episode of Hey History! was recorded on Kaurna Country for the 2025 Schools Day of Adelaide Writers Week.

Many thanks to

• Adelaide Festival, especially Suzanne Critchley, and Tahlia Greco
• The History Trust of South Australia for the use of an image of Don Dunstan's shorts
• National Museum of Australia for kindly granting permission and usage of images from their collection including: The water bottle of Robert O'Hara Bourke, a gold panning dish, and Chris the sheep

Voices

• Anna Clark is a Professor of History at the University of Technology, Sydney.
• Clare Wright is a Professor of History and Public Engagement at La Trobe University.
• Kiera Lindsey is South Australia's History Advocate and an award-winning historian.

Episode image

Photo of Hey History on stage live in front of primary school students in the Women's Pioneer Memorial Garden in Adelaide, South Australia.

Credits

• Hosted by Axel Clark.
• Produced on Gadigal Country by Anna Clark, Clare Wright and Jane Curtis.
• Executive producers are Clare Wright and Anna Clark.
• Podcast concept, design and development by Anna Clark.
• Thanks to all the students whose voices you hear in this episode and their schools and teachers.

Hey History! is produced by the Australian Centre for Public History at UTS and UTS Impact Studios.

Impact Studios' executive producer is Sarah Gilbert.

How do you teach and talk about Australian history with kids?

This is a bonus episode for teachers, carers and parents featuring Professor Anna Clark and Professor Clare Wright.

Teaching and talking about history with kids can be rewarding and challenging.

From their experience studying and teaching history, Clare and Anna tackle questions like:

• How can kids in primary school work with history’s complexity?
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• How can primary students consider the moral lessons of what they're learning?
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• How do you encourage kids when they're interested in history but get some facts wrong?
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• What’s one crucial thing to get across to kids about history?

Anna and Clare look at a concern about saying the wrong thing when talking about Australian history, and look at how to do Reconciliation while teaching or talking about history with kids?

And you'll hear why asking questions is an important part of how you talk about history, and how to use primary sources and historical objects to connect kids with the history of our country.

Voices

• Anna Clark is a Professor of History at the University of Technology, Sydney.
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• Clare Wright is a Professor of History and Public Engagement at La Trobe University.

Episode image

Photo of Clare Wright (left) and Anna Clark (right) in the recording studio at University of Technology Sydney.

Music

Thannoid by Blue Dot Sessions.

Transcript

• Download How to talk with kids about Australian history transcript in Word
• Download How to talk with kids about Australian history transcript as PDF

Credits

• Hosted by Axel Clark.
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• Made on Gadigal Country by Anna Clark, Clare Wright, Jane Curtis and Britta Jorgensen.
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• Executive producers are Clare Wright and Anna Clark.
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• Podcast concept, design and development by Anna Clark.
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• Indigenous Cultural Consultant is Katrina Thorpe.
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• Story editor is Kyla Slaven.
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• Learning material by Nick Adeney, Victorian primary educator
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• Curriculum advisors are Nicole Laauw, Department of Education NSW, and Rose Reid, Association of Independent Schools of NSW

Thanks to all the students whose voices you hear in this episode and their schools and teachers: Princes Street Primary school, Marrickville West Primary School, Westbourne Grammar School, Preshil Primary School, La Perouse Primary School, and Yirrkala Bilingual School.

Hey History! is produced by the