Ever wondered if banks are just giant dodos stuck in legacy land, or could they actually get hip and healthy? Well, Alastair Campbell is here to dish out the secrets of making money healthy again, minus the boring behind-the-scenes. Buckle up, it’s a juicy ride through data, archetypes, and the ultimate goal: banks that actually get you.

In this episode:

• Why 63% of industry value growth is flowing outside incumbents
• Rethinking archetypes: digital natives, modern families, and the kid pocket money revolution
• The three core levers of banking transformation: Customers, Architecture, and Leadership
• How to build a bank for the modern, complex, multi-hyphenated lives of today’s consumers
• The importance of 'stealing with pride' — reusable tech and collaborative ethos
• Why 'boring' banks are losing and what's needed to become trusted custodians of your financial life
• Leadership lessons: owning your architecture, generating customer relevance, and setting the ‘more for less’ standard

Timestamps:

00:00 - Welcome to the revolution: making money healthy again
02:37 - The data behind outside growth: non-incumbents stealing the show
04:05 - Why the balance sheet isn’t the hero anymore
06:18 - Digital wallets and multi-banking: the new normal
10:20 - The three wheels of banking transformation
12:17 - Leadership’s role in fixing the broken banking model
16:01 - Archetypes derailed: from nuclear families to digital natives
20:10 - How banks can innovate for weak signals, not just the average customer
24:00 - Money = emotions: making banking less boring, more human
28:39 - The future of customer data: credentials, relationships, and habits
32:39 - Building a modular tech stack for true customer-centricity
34:40 - The moat of convenience vs the moat of inconvenience
36:47 - Regulator’s role: pushing, pulling, and shaping the future of finance
44:23 - From wire protocols to open banking: standards that unleash innovation
46:23 - Why leadership tenure matters in successful transformation
54:22 - Empathy at the core: how young professionals can think differently
55:02 - Leading with purpose: ownership, career paths, and authentic leadership

Resources & Links:

• Healthy Money: How Modern Banks Can Create Value and Trust
• Thought Machine - Modern core banking software
• Revolut - Digital banking pioneer for the next generation
• Standard Chartered - Former employer for both host and guest
• Singtel - Singapore's leading Telco where Alastair led Strategy
• NatWest - Leading UK Bank where Alastair was Head of Strategy
• Alastair Campbell
• Richard Kibble

Connect with Alastair:

• LinkedIn

Want to overhaul your bank into a modern money machine? This convo is packed with the nuts and bolts of making that happen fast, smart, and with a lot less snooze factor. Buckle up, bankers — it’s time to get healthy!

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### Credits & Guests
Creators & Guests

• Aman Narain - Host
• Alastair Campbell - Guest

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