Can anyone actually regulate powerful AI before the technology gets away from them? Demis Hassabis thinks the US needs an independent body to test frontier AI models before release. Frank thinks that sounds sensible. Justin thinks Google might simply be trying to slow everyone else down.

Plus: Mira Murati gives away an enormous AI model that companies can fine-tune themselves. Kimi K3 suggests China’s not as far behind as the US believed, and OpenAI and Anthropic’s business models start looking slightly uncomfortable. Meanwhile, Anthropic decides the best way to market AI is with burning houses, riots and mass graves… cheerful stuff.

00:40 Why is Mira Murati's AI model free?
03:19 Is fine-tuning AI worth the hassle?
05:59 Should AI reflect us, not replace us?
08:12 Are OpenAI and Anthropic actually screwed?
11:16 Is Kimi K3 the new DeepSeek moment?
12:54 Did Kimi prove compute isn’t everything?
15:58 Should China’s models be the regulatory benchmark?
20:42 Is Demis Hassabis right about AI regulation?
27:29 Is Google trying to regulate its way ahead?
30:03 Did Anthropic make an ad for the apocalypse?

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► LINKS TO CONTENT WE DISCUSSED

• The Future Worth Building Is Human
• Inkling: Our open-weights model
• Decoded: What is Kimi K3, an open AI model challenging OpenAI and Anthropic
• A Framework for Frontier AI and the Dawning of a New Age
• There’s hope in hard questions

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