In this episode of Punk Rock Creatives, Marie sits down with musician, author and Rock Radio UK presenter Griff Griffiths — although somewhere along the way, neither of them is entirely sure whose show they're actually on, leading to some comical moments.

Griff has lived enough lives to fill several podcasts. We get into the extraordinary story behind his book I Was the King of Spain and the mental health crisis that led to a stay at The Priory.

We talk openly about mental health, creativity and finding humour in some of life's darkest and strangest moments, before heading off in several wonderfully unexpected directions.

There's Rock Radio UK, Griff's journey into broadcasting and life behind the microphone; how Griff's Rick Astley story bears a surprising similarity to a Gypsy Pistoleros story from series one of the podcast; and a conversation about punk, including what was happening to the scene during the 1990s and how punk has continued to evolve.

Having recently interviewed Marie on his own radio show, Griff and Marie inevitably end up swapping roles — to the point where they temporarily lose track of who is interviewing whom.

Don't worry. They eventually reel it back in.

Mostly.

A funny, candid and occasionally chaotic conversation about punk, radio, mental health, music, survival and an extraordinary creative life.