In Part One of this two-part conversation, hosts Christopher Mooney, LCSW and Kenyon Phillips, LMSW sit down with grief, loss, and bereavement therapist and Fordham University professor Kat Hurley, LCSW to explore what it really means to companion people through life’s most vulnerable moments. Kat shares her unexpected journey from professional dancer to “grief nerd,” and unpacks the often-misunderstood world of palliative care—what it is, what it isn’t, and why it matters long before the moment of death. The conversation moves into grief beyond death, including divorce, identity shifts, empty nesting, and the loss of the “assumptive world”—the moment when life no longer looks the way we thought it would. This episode is about courage, clarity, and the power of having honest conversations before, during, and after we experience a loss. It's also a reminder that we don't have to face our grief alone.

To learn more about Kat Hurley, LCSW, visit the Alis Volat Propriis Place website and connect with her on LinkedIn and Instagram.

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Lumen is for educational and informational purposes only and is not a substitute for therapy, diagnosis, or treatment. If you’re experiencing a mental health crisis, please contact local emergency services or a trusted mental health professional.