We speak with Kelly Ziemer, an assistant professor and researcher, about her journey to Amsterdam and her work exploring emotions, including her PhD dissertation on #self-love. Wading into the unknown and attuning to her emotions, Kelly began to align her life with her desires and shares with us the lessons learned, and magic met along the way.

Links and extras from this episode:

1. We talk about Brene Brown’s Braving the Wilderness, and I also have to shout out Atlas of the Heart, which I just listened to via Libby on a road trip, and wheeeeewwwwww, three cheers for emotional literacy and brave, open hearts!
2. Kelly references Emily Brontë’s Wuthering Heights whilst fantasizing about a gorgeous breakfast in the English countryside. Yum.
3. We talk about The Untethered Soul by Michael Singer and his chapter about the roommate in our heads.
4. Highly recommend Kelly’s website for insightful research articles and terrific resources on “the emotions that drive us, that hold us back, and that set us free.

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• Original music by Leslie Allison
• Sound editing by Erin Ozmat
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