Michelle Redfern is well known for getting stuff done including taking workplace gender equality, diversity, equity and inclusion from conversation to action and helping women to have careers that soar!

Michelle is dedicated to closing the global leadership gender gap and enabling women from all walks of life to have a career that soars.

In this conversation we talk to Michelle about the

• latest gender pay gap report,
• distinction between gender pay gap and equal pay
• systemic issues that lead to gender pay disparities.
• importance of men sponsoring women in business
• advocacy of women in business
• lack of female representation in leadership roles in sports

This is one of those conversations that has many aha moments, from gender pay gap, to women in sports and everything in between I loved this chat with Michelle and I am sure you will too.

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Danielle Dobson's journey is marked by curiosity and a deep desire to understand human interactions. From her early days running a neighborhood newspaper to challenging gender norms in school, Danielle has always sought to make sense of the world around her.

Danielle is all about breaking the gender code. Danielle shares insights from her research that led to her book - Breaking the Gender Code.

Our conversation delves into key themes such as leaders feeling lonely, the impact of becoming a parent on leadership, and the gender disparities in the workplace. We discuss the concept of code breakers, nurture, neuroplasticity, and the importance of consciously decoding and recoding one's own life experiences.

Also 'having it all' for women, the importance of self-reflection and self-compassion in letting go of societal expectations, the process of regularly reassessing priorities, the influence of unconscious biases driven by gender codes in the workplace, and the need to break traditional patterns to create inclusive environments.

We also had an interesting discussion on how societal expectations categorize women into 'pink box' and 'blue box' roles in both corporate and personal settings.

Awesome must listen conversation.

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Phoebe delves into her role in the Victorian government, focusing on growth and sustainability, and her involvement in advocating for a circular economy. She emphasizes the importance of stakeholder engagement, the challenges and rewards of bringing about change, and the need for younger voices and diverse perspectives on boards.

We discuss the government's focus on sustainable practices, engagement with business leaders, and preparing for ESG requirements and 2050 goals.

Our conversation emphasizes the need for a systemic approach involving all sectors, leveraging data, balancing regulation and policy, and engaging with consumers.

**Future Fit Leadership acknowledge the traditional custodians of the land on which we record this podcast and we pay our respect to elders - past, present and emerging. We extend that respect to Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people.

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