Pat almost refused to do this.

Before we even hit record, he told me he had a strong feeling this interview shouldn’t happen.

We gave it a shot anyway.

What came out isn’t a story that is pretty & clean.

It’s what it actually looks like when someone is trying to figure out their life after actively screwing parts of it up.

We talk about growing up feeling isolated & out of place.

Writing music while dealing with depression & not wanting to be alive.

Hitchhiking with no phone, no stability, no real plan.

Stealing from people who trusted you & having to sit with that.

Getting sober & realizing that doesn’t fix the damage, it just means you have to face it.

There’s a moment in here when we’re talking about that betrayal, & you can feel it. Not simply as a story but, as something that actually happened between two people trying to sort out the messiness.

Over all it’s a conversation with two friends trying to be honest about who they were & who they’re trying to become now.

If you’ve ever looked at your own life and thought, “I’ve made a mess of this”…this conversation is going to feel familiar & hopeful.

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