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When it comes to cybersecurity, we're not hacking systems—we're hacking behaviors. This enlightening conversation with Philip McKibbins, CIO and CTO of the Dallas Mavericks, reveals how human psychology, not just technology, forms the foundation of truly effective security.

McKibbins brings extraordinary perspective from his 30-year career spanning Walt Disney (where he wrote their business continuity and disaster recovery plan), ESPN, the Los Angeles Dodgers, and now the NBA. His journey demonstrates how security principles remain consistent even across vastly different industries.

The podcast delves into practical strategies for motivating employees to embrace security practices. McKibbins shares how the Mavericks blend active and passive security testing with positive reinforcement rather than punishment. "When someone passes our tests, we praise them," he explains, highlighting the importance of catching people doing the right thing rather than focusing only on failures.

What makes this episode particularly valuable is the emphasis on making security accessible. McKibbins describes how encouraging employees to teach cybersecurity to their families transforms their relationship with security—they become experts at home, fundamentally rewiring how they approach threats. This simple yet powerful technique enhances compliance without additional technology investments.

The conversation takes fascinating turns through behind-the-scenes stories, including how McKibbins helped former Mavericks owner Mark Cuban recover from an account breach, and the increased attack volume during high-profile moments like trades. These real-world examples illustrate why organizations must remain vigilant regardless of their industry or size.

Perhaps most surprisingly, both host Joshua Crumbaugh and McKibbins agree that low-tech solutions often prove most effective against sophisticated threats. As AI-generated content becomes increasingly convincing, the simple act of picking up the phone to verify suspicious requests becomes invaluable. "Trust but verify actually works," McKibbins emphasizes.

Whether you're a security professional looking for practical motivation strategies or a business leader wanting to strengthen your organization's human firewall, this episode offers actionable insights that transform security from a technical challenge into a cultural advantage.

Joshua Crumbaugh is a world-renowned ethical hacker and a subject matter expert in social engineering and behavioral science. As the CEO and Founder of PhishFirewall, he brings a unique perspective on cybersecurity, leveraging his deep expertise to help organizations understand and combat human-centered vulnerabilities in their security posture. His work focuses on redefining security awareness through cutting-edge AI, behavioral insights, and innovative phishing simulations.

PhishFirewall uses AI-driven micro-training and continuous, TikTok-style video content to eliminate 99% of risky clicks—zero admin effort required. Ready to see how we can fortify your team against phishing threats? Schedule a quick demo today!