Episode 7 of the Fool Me Twice podcast dives deeply into the nature of lying, deception, and the psychology behind why people mislead others, sometimes deliberately, sometimes by omission, and often for self preservation.

The episode opens with light hearted banter between hosts Brad and Steve, touching on everyday complaints, injuries, and humour around masculinity, before quickly shifting into the core theme of the episode: what actually constitutes a lie. Steve defines a lie as wilfully misleading someone while knowing the information is factually incorrect. This definition is immediately tested through the idea of lying by omission, where a person withholds key information while still technically telling the truth.

Brad shares several vivid personal stories from his school years to illustrate this concept. One standout anecdote involves accidentally setting a classmate’s hair on fire, then truthfully stating that the hair caught fire while conveniently leaving out his own role in causing it. The story demonstrates how omission can be just as deceptive as an outright falsehood. Further stories about hypnotising classmates and forging parental notes reveal how quickly young people learn to exploit authority structures, especially when questioned poorly.

A major theme of the episode is the importance of questioning technique. Steve argues there is no such thing as a bad interviewee, only bad interviewers. Closed yes or no questions often allow deception to continue, while open ended questions encourage detail, expose inconsistencies, and reveal motive. This idea is reinforced through real investigative examples involving document examination, handwriting analysis, and forensic techniques.

One particularly sobering case involves a fabricated sexual assault allegation uncovered through document analysis, highlighting how lies must be carefully constructed, maintained, and emotionally supported to remain believable. Motive, such as revenge or jealousy, is repeatedly emphasised as the key to understanding deceptive behaviour.

The discussion expands into micro expressions, contempt, and behavioural cues, drawing on psychological research to explain how fleeting facial movements can reveal underlying emotion. These insights are linked to comedy, public speaking, and leadership, showing how reading a room and identifying who others take cues from can be critical.

Overall, Episode 7 blends humour, personal confession, psychology, and investigative insight to show that deception is a deeply human behaviour, and that understanding why people lie is often more revealing than simply catching them out.

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Episode 6 of Fool Me Twice explores deception in its many everyday and extreme forms, blending humour, criminology and behavioural science. The conversation opens with a lighthearted discussion about lying what it is, how common it is and how easily people rationalise small deceptions. This theme quickly shifts to modern petty crime, particularly self serve supermarket checkouts, where customers mislabel produce or snack while shopping. What begins as comedy becomes a broader commentary on how removing oversight, such as checkout staff or tram conductors, subtly encourages dishonest behaviour.

Steve, drawing on his policing background, explains that studies show most people will steal if they believe there are no consequences. The hosts reflect on how visible authority once regulated behaviour and how its absence has led to widespread fare evasion, retail theft and even organised swarming, where large groups overwhelm stores and steal openly. This raises a recurring question of the episode: is deception driven more by opportunity than morality?

The discussion then moves into the psychology of lying and detection. Steve recounts moments when being labelled the human lie detector created ethical dilemmas, particularly when revealing the truth could cause unnecessary harm. From this, the hosts explore how truth and deception appear in storytelling, comedy and real life. Truthful people, Steve explains, tend to self correct and provide detail, while liars remain vague to reduce cognitive load.

From petty deception, the episode escalates to large scale fraud. The hosts examine historic and modern scams, including the Ponzi scheme run by Bernie Madoff, who defrauded investors of around 65 billion dollars by exploiting trust, greed and perceived exclusivity. They also discuss massive government level corruption overseas and corporate scandals closer to home, emphasising that intelligence and wealth do not protect people from deception.

Crypto fraud provides a modern parallel, with discussion of the collapse linked to Sam Bankman-Fried. The hosts highlight how hype, fear of missing out and lack of regulation fuel financial deception, much like traditional scams.

The episode closes on a reflective note. While deception is everywhere, from fake smiles to financial schemes, life’s real value may lie in simple pleasures like coffee, beer and paying attention to what truly matters.

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Episode 5 of Fool Me Twice centres on one of Australia’s most infamous criminals, Ivan Milat, using his case to explore how lies, fear, and behavioural deception operate in serious crime. Rather than focusing on sensationalism, the episode examines the mechanics of deception surrounding a serial offender and the long lasting consequences those lies can have on victims, families, and the justice system.

The discussion revisits Milat’s murders in the Belanglo State Forest and highlights how deception extended well beyond the crimes themselves. A key focus is an earlier shooting of taxi driver Neville Knight, where another man spent years in prison for a crime Milat was later believed to have committed. This case illustrates how fear, intimidation, and misplaced loyalty can lead to false confessions and prolonged silence, allowing the truth to remain buried for decades.

Drawing on first hand investigative experience, the episode explains how behavioural analysis and polygraph testing are used in serious criminal cases. The emphasis is not on technology alone, but on how people tell their stories. Truthful individuals tend to include themselves naturally in events and provide consistent detail, while deceptive individuals often distance themselves, avoid direct answers, and show subtle signs of concealment through language and behaviour.

The episode also challenges common myths about serial killers. Milat is presented as an example of how these offenders are typically methodical, organised, and patient rather than impulsive. The discussion explores how serial offenders target vulnerable victims, operate in remote locations, and refine their methods over time. It also touches on recurring behavioural patterns, ritualistic elements, and why many serial killers have a strong interest in forensic processes.

Importantly, the episode examines why offenders like Milat rarely confess. Even when facing life imprisonment, maintaining secrecy can provide a final sense of power and control. Milat’s refusal to cooperate meant many questions were never answered, and it remains widely believed that additional victims were never formally identified.

The episode closes with a striking contrast. A lighter but revealing story is shared about a young man who claimed an uncollected lottery win. With no ticket to prove it, his claim was assessed through investigation and a polygraph examination. He was found to be truthful and ultimately awarded more than 20 million dollars. The story reinforces a central message of Fool Me Twice: polygraph testing and behavioural analysis can expose devastating lies, but they can also validate the truth when it matters most.

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