Alec and Nick revisit an unreleased podcast from the archive, recorded one year ago, discussing the concept and experience of Turning Up. The episode reprises the idea of the Dionysian in terms of consumption of music, ideas, substances and social activity as these mingle within the interior life and institutional forms of attending, listening, partying, producing and performing. The conversation asks questions about the utility of lit music events, fleeting public sounds, the script of turning up, uncoordinated and novel excitements, and the Apollonian state of Turning Down. Topics include MoMA PS1’s Warm Up summer series, turning up in experimental music, and an extended discussion of the tension between aesthetic excitation and the pursuit of truth-value in Callahan and Witscher’s “Think Differently” album and 2024 release show.

Alec and Nick return to podcasting to discuss their special respective connections to classical music. The conversation employs a back-to-basics overview of the form: what is classical music? What is NOT classical music? What was and is it? Taking a zoomed-out approach, the episode spans the culture, mechanics, operations, and evolution of classical music: arriving at an assessment of the “audacity of its form” in relationship to the dysfunction and cosmopolitanism of contemporary society. Johann Sebastian Bach, Igor Stravinsky, Richard Strauss, Maurice Ravel, Erik Satie, John Cage, Morton Feldman, Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, and even … Béla Fleck & the Flecktones are all mentioned.

In a novel departure from their “special relationship” to classical and experimental music, Alec and Nick take up the topic of Interpretive Dance as a discursive foil to their ongoing inquiries into music. The duo give bewildered accounts of the aesthetic experience of interpretive and experimental dance performances—and ask basic questions: are music and dance the same thing? Sibling rivals? Two towers? Or, why does interpretive dance often evoke laughter, humiliation, or come across as potentially overstated and ridiculous? How would would you choose to express yourself through dance? The conversation also recounts comfortable and joyous experiences of dancing and probes critical assumptions and entrenchments within the music/dance dichotomy. The conversation touches on John Cage and Merce Cunningham, The Club, musical theater, Yvonne Rainer, Simone Forti, ethnomusicological accounts of movement and music, improvised music, ballet and classical music, music and dance’s extensions into visual culture, Kim Gordon’s new album, and more.