What happens when life splits into before and after?

In this episode, Charles and Brandon sit down with author Norma Kurz, who shares her deeply personal journey through unimaginable loss—the sudden death of her 15-year-old daughter, Karen, and years later, the loss of her son. What followed wasn’t just grief—it was a relentless search for meaning. Out of that pain, Norma didn’t stay stuck in loss—she turned it into purpose.

Through her books—A Personal Grief, A Reasonable Faith, and A Perilous Time—she transformed her story into something meant to help others navigate their own suffering, ask deeper questions, and wrestle honestly with faith, doubt, and healing. Her journey reflects a powerful shift: from surviving tragedy… to using it to serve others.

This episode dives into the real experience of grief—shock, anger, guilt, and isolation—and the critical fork in the road it creates: to turn away from belief or lean into it. Norma shares how questioning—not blind faith—became the path that helped her rebuild.

Together, the conversation explores:

• Why some people grow through loss while others walk away
• Whether faith must be questioned to be real
• If meaning is discovered… or created through suffering
• And how grief can shape you without defining you

This isn’t a conversation about easy answers.

It’s about what happens when everything breaks…

and whether something stronger can be built in its place.

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