Most companies believe they're supporting veterans because they offer benefits and run wellness campaigns. But what if everything you're offering - with the best of intentions - doesn't actually work for the veterans in your workforce?

Our guest today is Dr. Shauna Springer, who is known as "Doc" Springer to countless veterans and first responders. Through her company, THIN LINE ADVISORY, she offers highly specialized consultation and advising to organizations and companies that hire and support veterans and first responders.

Based on years of work, in a relationship of unique trust with the protector/defender community, she has seen how well-intended civilian mental health approaches can unintentionally increase risk — especially when are misaligned with the culture and ethos of this community.

On this podcast, we'll engage in a conversation with Doc Springer that will challenge executive teams to rethink how they measure effectiveness, how they build trust, and how they leverage Veteran ERGs as strategic assets — not symbolic ones.

This isn't about adding another program. It's about reducing invisible risk, retaining high-performing leaders, and ensuring that the people who once protected the country are properly supported inside your organizations.

The conversation is direct, evidence-informed, and focused on actionable shifts.

Shauna 'Doc' Springer, Ph.D. is a licensed psychologist, award-winning Military Times podcast host, and one of the world's leading experts on psychological trauma, suicide prevention, and close relationships. A Harvard graduate who has become a trusted advisor to our nation's military warfighters and first responders, she is the author of three best-selling books. Dr. Springer is frequently sourced by the media for her uniquely perceptive insights on trauma recovery, post-traumatic growth, psychological health, and interpersonal relationships. She currently provides specialized consultation and confidential advising to public safety leaders, peer teams, and organizations that serve protectors and defenders through THIN LINE ADVISORY. In addition, she serves as the Lead Psychological Advisor for MAGNUS | One and the Senior Psychological Advisor for Stella Mental Health, which has a network of more than 20 clinics across the United States, Australia and Israel.

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